2008-12-12, 09:31 | Link #3801 |
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Only because he is on the receiving end.
Li is not above murder and deceit to get what he wants. That's what they all have to be to do their jobs. No matter how questionable the act, it is still better than losing the battle. You are not going to be remembered fondly for not blowing up Mt Fuji, if your soldiers were slaughtered and your head is on a pike in the end. What Li lacked was a sick imagination, it's not because he wouldn't be willing to do the same if he had thought of it.
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2008-12-12, 09:46 | Link #3802 |
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i doubt li would have done it if it ment killing his own ground forces
the problem is that there is a limit to how much of lelouch's villainy you can actually show on screen we know that he was the most hated basterd on earth but we dont see all that much of what he does to get there we see 1)canceling the number system and the rights of nobles (that in its self is not such a bad thing, but it did make him much loved all over the world) 2)brainwashing thousends of innocent soldiers to be his puppets, and using them for his plan, at times mearly as nuke shields (a dog raping move on his part) 3)using his "emperor of justice" image to lure the UFN leaders into a peace summit and then kidnapping them to be used as human shields 4)blowing up mount fuji (triggering a natual disaster of epic proportions, just to get an edge in battle) 5)using his newly stolen nuke spamming doom fortress to take over the world (we dont know if he ended up having to nuke someone, or if the threat was enough) and in the final we know that he is hated and feared by EVERYONE not one person on earth who isnt brainwashed or part of the plan feels anything but hate for him we dont know what else he had done becouse if they had actually shown on screen that he had been killing anyone who opposed him and then killing their entire family (a commen enough practice it would seem, since people on the street comment about it) it would have been very hard to sell him as a hero later on thats why most of his villainy is implayed rather then shown on screen but considering that he had already been shown on screen to be killing unarmed man woman and children (ironiclly when he was still playing the role of the hero) one must wonder what else he did that was not shown
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2008-12-12, 10:16 | Link #3803 | |
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I don't see any real reason to try to prove that he'd act the same, when everything you know about him says he won't. Li, and almost everyone else in the BK as well, is a soldier, obviously he is not stainless, but his character includes having a moral code that is sensibly different from Lelouch's one. This doesn't make him totally innocent or anything, just a different character -likeable or not, that's beyond the point, just as much as Leouch's character can be liked or not. You are free to think that his way of thinking is stupid and less moral than what Lelouch did, but, again, that's left to our personal interpretation. |
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2008-12-15, 04:49 | Link #3805 |
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First I'd like to introduce myself to the forum. (Had trouble getting my primary email confirmed, so I had to switch over to my hotmail.)
The one thing I'm wondering about Lelouch at this point is whether he ultimately told anyone, most notably Suzaku, about the circumstances of Euphemia's geassing. |
2008-12-15, 04:59 | Link #3806 | |
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2008-12-15, 05:46 | Link #3809 |
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IDK. I think Suzaku understood that Lelouch was not being totally sincere about Euphie at the Kururugi Shrine, but if they ever talk about it again, we'll never know.
yes, but that's what Lelouch actually said. Schneizel might have been partially glad to hear that because it was convenient for him to have such confession, but Cornelia, she got no reason to doubth what Lelouch said. |
2008-12-15, 21:47 | Link #3811 |
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don't count on it since the next one a sleepover featuring Rakshata and the other female members of the Black Knights with the Chinese Federation, the one after that is a Casino party with the Knights Of Round and the last one is about Cecile's past (so I've heard) let's hope there's one that serves as an epilogue to the story.
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2008-12-18, 21:20 | Link #3815 | |
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As he said to C.C. in 24, "C.C. it was because of the geass you gave me... It was because you were there that I was able to take my first step..." I doubt Lelouch would have done something without the geass, at least not at the age of 17. He hated britannia a lot and wanted to change the world for nunnaly, but he was not stupid. He would have not sent himself to die. |
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2008-12-18, 21:23 | Link #3816 | |
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This is true actually. Lelouch without Geass, is just, not Lelouch of Rebellion. It is like a car without gas. His gas was C.C with Geass. |
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2008-12-18, 21:30 | Link #3817 | |
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she was not his lover, but I least she was that XD Now maybe lelouch would have tried something but I don't see how. He had nothing which would be useful against britannia. |
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2008-12-18, 21:36 | Link #3818 | |
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And this is exactly why Lelouch was grateful to C.C in the end, he acknowledges that without her, he practically has nothing. He would have accomplished nothing. C.C became his mirror, thus the word "equal." |
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2008-12-18, 21:48 | Link #3819 | |
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What do you exactly mean by his "mirror"? On a side note, when lelouch got the geass from her, he accepted the "contract", but I don't know if he was really serious when he did (after that, he was kinda shocked when c.c. appeared at ashford). At that time, he also wanted to save his life. Refusing the contract would have meant death. So did he really have the choice? ^^ |
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2008-12-18, 22:21 | Link #3820 | |
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Hmm, i might have not actually used the right word. {or actually, i had a greek word/saying in my mind when i said that, like mirror-moment, it might not make much sense but i'll try to explain} I meant, the moment C.C gave Lelouch the Geass. It was not just a moment. It is like that moment settled and hovered and remained for much more than just a simple moment. Most of time people make the moments in their lives but at this occasion, it was C.C that by giving Geass to Lelouch, she made him. She gave him the power, that made him the architect of his fate. Lelouch was supposed to bring down Britania, it is like, he was born for this, one way or another. And up until that moment, he was "dead" {i think he even said this once in the series, or maybe it was in the Pilot epi} And C.C gave him the strength and hope that the world he desire can be won. So i guess, i used the word mirror, in a more of a metaphorical sense, like C.C is the starting point of his "real" life, the mirror of the life he deserved but never been able to reach and yet, at the same moment he can reach it. |
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