2013-04-25, 10:10 | Link #38241 |
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With an upgrade to Valkyrie for the Shiny Sparkly All-Killing Self-Healing Exp-Stealing Vampire. I guess that works too, why not?
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2013-04-25, 13:37 | Link #38242 | |
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Personal feelings and questionable morals aside, it would set a bad precedence of them subjugating another world's magic system and make a lot of other non-administrated worlds or worlds with magic styles other than Mid-Chidian that know of them weary of them. Not to mention that the TSAB is an infantile organization with barely enough resources as is. Do you really think they can take a PR hit like that? Or, should the MA fight back? Or if they become enough of a threat to awaken Alaya or Gaia and get Arc or CGs on them? Shirou can tell them about MA, but they can't do a thing about it.
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2013-04-25, 13:51 | Link #38243 |
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If the Lost Logia is a danger to the planet or the dimension, then I daresay the Bureau would intervene regardless of what the Mages' Association wants. And frankly speaking, I'd rather the Bureau handle it than letting that collection of accidents-waiting-to-happen deal with a Lost Logia. Save for Waver and Rin, those involved in the Clock Tower are way too goddamn stupid or dangerous due to a magus' mindset.
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2013-04-25, 14:32 | Link #38247 | |
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As for an eventual Lost Logia I think that they would have something to say if a group of morally distorted techophobes tries to get their hands on one, Lost Logia and MA together call lots of trouble by default IMO. Then I also have to add that the TSAB has a pretty good numerical advantage by the looks of things, but then again they don't have anything like Arc or Zelretch on their side, so yeah, it's quite difficult to figure out how a war between the two factions would end. Also, regarding Gaia and Alaya, if they don't lift a finger when the book of darkness goes on rampage, why would they move when the TSAB attacks. The reason why I'm still blocked on a speculative level is because the whole thing is too damned difficult to make in work and make sense of it without ignoring something. @ Lhklan Nice prologue, but I think that I'll wait for something more joicy before giving my opinion.
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2013-04-25, 15:58 | Link #38248 |
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Actually if you consider Alaya I think she DID act. Specifically the Counter Force was at work there. Counter Force empowers and pushes normal people into dealing with the threat. It essentially takes a normal person and makes them willing to face that threat and erase it. That's pretty much what Nanoha and her friends did. If they would fail and the Book of Darkness started to grow without anything keeping it in check then Alaya would deploy the Counter Guardians and erase the whole area. Though I'm curious how would it react to the use of Arc en Ciel, would it deploy Counter Guardians against Asura for killing lots of humans or would it accept it as part of Counter Force's actions...
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2013-04-25, 16:00 | Link #38249 |
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With how indiscriminate the Counter Guardians are (what with EMIYA remarking on killing the guilty and innocent alike), if it was used to stop the Book of Darkness, Alaya would take it in stride, I think.
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2013-04-25, 16:09 | Link #38250 | |
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They would fight tooth and nail to keep anything that could help them reach the Root, alien mages included. Shoot, they'd capture alien mages just to experiment on and learn how they click.
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2013-04-25, 16:27 | Link #38254 |
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Well, we know that nasuverse mages are huge dicks, that's a fact.
And yeah, if you put it taht way the counter force did it's work, but I expect something bigger to happen when the whole world is in danger, heck once the defense program materialize I'd expect at least a group of counter guardians as the welcome commitee.
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2013-04-25, 16:30 | Link #38255 | |
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Three young mages each with WMD level of Power. Four ancient combat programs, and a warship capable of shooting magical Mega-Nukes. That's quite big if you ask me, if Counter Guardians WOULD appear then Book of Darkness, Team Nanoha and large chunk of Uminari would be wiped out... Counter Guardians are deployed as Last Resort and when They Come nothing is left standing. Edit. I forgot to mention this little bit, Counter Force empowers it's agents with the Exact amount of power necessary to counter the threat. Not more, the rest is in the hands of the agents. If the exact amount is not enough then Alaya goes for Overwhelming amount of power in the form of Counter Guardians.
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2013-04-25, 16:35 | Link #38256 |
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Yeah, but let's admit it A's final victory was a last minute colossal gamble, the situation was quite desperate until the very last second.
And by the way, does the counter force influence the Wolkenritter and the Mid-childa born people?
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2013-04-25, 16:36 | Link #38257 | |
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Yeah, Nasuverse isn't exactly know for treating children well. Precia is abusive and that's unforgivable, but compared to Zouken that's kid gloves. Imagine if Fate had to go through tha....no, nevermind, wipe it from your thoughts. Counter Force can influence earthborn mages and humans, but so far the only one who's stood out as a bit of an exception was Enjou from Knk, which was how he escaped to find Shiki. He was a brain remotely linked to a body.
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2013-04-25, 16:40 | Link #38258 | |
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So yes it was desperate but they won and that means that the amount of power Alaya gave was enough. Good question, in a way you could say that Nanoha was the sole tool of Alaya since neither Wolkies nor TSAB people (Yuuno and Fate included) belong her. Twi That's why I want to keep those two worlds separate, if they were connected... my abusively active imagination comes up with horror scenarios that make my blood cold... Hayate strapped to a table, concious while they are cutting into her trying to figure out how the Book affects her paralysis.
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2013-04-25, 16:49 | Link #38260 | |
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Also Nasuverse maguses in majority make even Jail look moral, so in all honesty, I don't blame you for keeping the worlds separate. Even if the TSAB knows that there is a Mage Association, the general consensus would probably be to stay away from them at all costs. As for the TSAB and Nasuverse handing the Lost Logia, that would evole into a conflict that would escalate fast. TSAB may be more qualified, and may triumph, but there will be blood involved and there would be a politcal storm considering that Earth is nowhere near Mid-Chidia or an administrated world so the fall out of a lost logia would be miniscule in reaching them. And if the masquerade on magc gets broken and more conflict erupts, the TSAB will be responsible for that as well and their PR will be even worse than before. They'd have to report their involvement and even if it was covered up, as long as two of the three Aces are known from earth and someone just decides to travel there and learn about the chaos that erupted, then they'd be caught in a lie. Not to mention that I'm sure the TSAB has some enemies somewhere that would jump on the chance to throw them into the fire over starting a global war. Walking on glass, all the way.
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