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And it's not just Israel that I see standing in the way either. Christians and Muslims may have problems giving access also - at least the more hardened zealots anyway. Jerusalem is important to all three, and it just takes 1 guy - if he's important enough - to cause problems for everyone. Topic change... I'm now trying to find the latest U.S. Social Security report that says the current net deficit is US$5.8 billion for August 2009. That's not a big deal - considering that a deficit has been ran for awhile now - but the future value as of 2037 on 4% RR for this extra borrowing is US$17 billion. That, current analysis is saying, will likely move the "drop dead" date of Social Security up from 2037.
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2009-09-09, 12:31 | Link #3862 | |
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2009-09-09, 12:59 | Link #3863 | |
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Its called: "None of the Above". ---- Simply, I have no clue as to why anybody would use some random city to be the template for Jerusalem. In fact, I don't have the slightest clue as to whether the five listed places can even be examples in the first place as that I know very little of the five location's politics and religion. And as you can see, the issue of Jerusalem is a religious and political one. |
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2009-09-09, 13:16 | Link #3864 | |
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Ask any Singaporean on the forums for a clearer picture.
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2009-09-09, 13:18 | Link #3865 | |
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leave it as an open city under israeli control you know, like it is now under arab rule, the city was closed off to jews when Israel took it over, it became an open city under israeli rule, the city is open to people of all religions each of the three religions has a specific administraion that deals with its own holy sites, and anyone is free to visit them and the city's administraiton is elected by popular vote (the arabs living in jerusalem can vote obviusly) hence, leave it under israeli control, and give east Jerusalem to the Palestinians best solution. (provided you're not a religious nut job) letting the UN take control of it isnt a practical option (Israelis hate the UN, with good reason, so they wont hand it over to them) and nuking it (while a nice idea) is too expensive since you have to relocated too many people (some of them, forcefully) so until destroying it completely becomes a practical option, leave it in Israeli hands and hand east Jerusalem to the Palestinians
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2009-09-09, 13:25 | Link #3866 | |
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2009-09-09, 13:29 | Link #3867 | |
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giving east Jerusalem to the Palestinians while leaving the rest in isreali hands allows both sides to have SOME part of it neither side gets everything, and neither side loses everything its not perfect, but its practical
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2009-09-09, 13:35 | Link #3868 | |
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2009-09-09, 13:43 | Link #3869 | |
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currently, east Jerusalem falls under Israeli authority but its population is mostly composed of Arabs you'd THINK that if given a choice, they would rather fall under the control of the PA in any future settlement you'd be wrong to think so ironically, by living under Israeli authority, the Arabs living in east Jerusalem enjoy a considerably higher standard of living then the Arabs living under the PA and hence, would actually want to AVOID having east Jerusalem becoming part of the future Palestinian state they arent stupid, they know that the PA is corrupt and mostly incompetent even at the best of times so long as they are under Israeli authority, they don't have a "choice" in the matter of who's authority they fall under if you give then this choice by making them an autonomy, you end up putting them on the spot they would have to make an official choice on whether or not to become part of the PA and neither choice is good for them if they choose no, they become traitors if they choose yes, they become part of the system they want no part in besides you already have two diffetent authorities representing the Palestinian people (hamas in gaza, PA in the west bank) do you really think creating a third one would be a good idea ?
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2009-09-09, 14:50 | Link #3871 | |
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i wonder where you got it from... wouldnt happen to be from "palestian news network" now would it ? http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?opti...k=view&id=6352 the pallywood industry is hardly a proper place to get news from considering that its main purpose is to demonize Israel in world public view
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2009-09-09, 15:09 | Link #3872 | |
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2009-09-09, 15:15 | Link #3873 | |
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The Jewish settlement seems to be quite a controversial issue. There is no doubt that the Jewish authorities had forced Palestinians to leave their homes for the sake of some Jewish settlers who came to the location for the purpose of wrecking havoc and causing trouble. The 50 families who were forced out from their homes were definitely not illegal immigrants of any sort but they were Muslims. Supposedly, the authorities of Israel should be protecting the poor and the weak, whether they are Muslims or not as that they are civilians yet they went and supported some right-wingers amidst international protests. Nonetheless, Israel claims that this entire issue is misinterpreted as that there are still quite a lot of anti-Semistism in the air, as well as the fact that lots of people are trying to demonize Israel and the Jews. Thus, I believe this is quite a complicated issue as opposed to something being simple. Quote:
And don't click on the first link because of this and this. Last edited by Shadow Kira01; 2009-09-09 at 15:17. Reason: added photo from NY Times. |
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2009-09-09, 15:17 | Link #3874 |
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you make it sound like this was an arbitrary extra judicial move
the report itself clearly states that this is following a very long legal discussion any trial that deals with ownership battles will have a loser in the end the fact that this time around it was a Palestinian family is not indicative of anything the authorities followed what the court order tells them to do its that simple @Shadow Kira01 the original report is by the "palestian news network" the other site is copy-paste of it and its 50 PEOPLE not families
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2009-09-09, 15:24 | Link #3875 | |
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6736473.ece it is form the UK times.
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2009-09-09, 15:28 | Link #3876 | |
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you know what i find especially interesting the utter lack of any israeli representetive comments on what happened or any explenations on the reason for the court order to evict
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interesting quote by Israel PM Quote:
does all resident including people of arab descent can anywhere in Jerusalem or only those of Jewish descent can live anywhere they want. Quote:
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the detailed history is presented by the lawyer representing the families being evicted its still one sided the one detail about this case that is not subjected to debate (since even the lawyer admits it) is that they got eviceted because they refused to payed rent Quote:
specificlly interesting in that its given in response to international demands for a limit of ONLY jews residents in jerusalem arabs can and DO live wherever they want without any criticism so yes arabs can live wherever they want, the PM demands equal treatment for jews Quote:
the israeli PM cant make any either its a negotiations bluff
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