2007-12-18, 02:25 | Link #21 | |
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Adulterers, gosh dont get me started with them....thats a totally different topic for now, Ill keep it simple...Punishment... My point was he was jeopordazing the life of Sekai and the kid by not taking care of her and even go as far as increase the stress/burden she already holds. When I was said support, I wasnt thinking financial support, guess I should have made that clear. I was talking about mental/emotional support which he totally just neglected, not just neglected but instead put more on her. Not ever boy is as stupid as him to cause such a ruckus and get himself into such a situation, matter of fact MAJORITY wouldnt. One more thing, even if he does have to provide financial support, I dont see that is something out of his ability to do. I was working when I was 15...Then, I would assume he is fairly wealthy or well-off considering he has his OWN apartment at his age...geez..wealthy kids...doing w/e they wants and think they can get away with it.. |
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Have you ever thought of makoto wanting to repent? do you think he even feels remorse? or how about regret? sadness? The only sadness I saw in him was when he can't get his sex fix...do you think a man like that should be excused? Lets say sekai didn't kill him - do you think he would really have a long lasting relationship with kotonoha, because I don't. From what he has done so far I can clearly see him doing the same thing with kotonoha AGAIN. I wouldn't normally want to kill someone, correct, but to a slim who has no hope of being human anymore, I wouldn't be hard for me to pull the trigger Quote:
This is a weak excuse even in a real life situation. "I am innocent because the girls jumped onto me not the other way round" What the heck is that? He has the same amount of responsibility as the gril who jumped onto him for what happens next. Yet he never felt bad about his actions (in fact he felt rather pleased with himself) <----- this is what I am pissed off about. Quote:
And again it depends on the situation for me. Most of the probably don't deserve anything near death but there are always those rare cases where it's "you just never learn" and teens who use their "age" as an excuse to get away with doing bad things... Basically scums of the earth :3 Quote:
He ran away because he didn't want any responsibility of being an "adult" - Funny how he then tried his best to avoid sekai like the snake that he is ^^ If you can't handle it, don't do it in the first place. Seriously if he says that he didn't know how the baby came about then he should read up the main objective/reason to sexual intercourse (and if he did have to look up...I will LAWL so hard ).
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2007-12-18, 04:24 | Link #24 | |
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It has nothing to do with his age. He didn't kill anyone and he didn't rape anyone. I wouldn't wish a death sentence on an adult for Makoto's crimes either. If you were to kill everyone who ever cheated on their girlfriend or became a deadbeat dad, you'd be executing a whole lot of people. Oh please. "Scum of the earth" gets a whole lot worse than that. He wasn't married to the girls he cheated on. He didn't push Saionju down the stairs in hopes she'd lose the baby. There are far more horrible things he could have done before you call him "scum of the earth." He's just rather callous about the consequences that his "fun" has on the girls he was messing with.
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2007-12-18, 05:09 | Link #27 | |
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Sadly what punishment can he recieve? It's not like the police would do anything. It all boils down to him, being a free man, without being taught a lesson.
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There are many scums - he is just an example of an emotional scum in my books.
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2007-12-18, 13:48 | Link #30 | |
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2007-12-18, 14:16 | Link #31 | |
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If you stab someone with a knife, there is very clear intent to kill. The only question is whether it's premediated or not. It is the biggest difference in the world. Makoto did not intend to rape, kill or torture anyone. You cannot argue otherwise. No court or judge would even punish him for what he did. Are his actions ethically and morally questionable? Of course. But there is no law anywhere that says that any of his actions should be punished. |
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2007-12-18, 14:46 | Link #32 | |
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Killing the kid off, One may argue if there was a kid or not, but asking for a abortion, I truly cant see fitting under any circumstance...Dont wanna get into the whole abortion, y or n arguments..so Ill stay away from this. |
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2007-12-18, 14:58 | Link #33 |
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Whether what he did was intentional or not is still up to the viewers to judge, but while some of his actions might be either intentional or just pure ignorance, there have been a few cases where he did intend to cause harm (emotionally).
One obvious event that sticks out like a smashed up thumb...the scene where he kissed kotonoha in front of sekai. I honestly cannot believe that he didn't have a clue on how sekai would feel so in this case I would say that his intent on causing emotional harm to her was on purpose.
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2007-12-18, 15:07 | Link #34 | |
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It was very calculated. It was also not an extraudinary action. Lots of people do things much like this every day. Usually the "tortured" individual picks themselves back up and copes with it. Despite the unfortunate plethora of deadbeat dads and male sluts in this world, almost all girls somehow manage to keep their sanity instead of going blank-eyed and stabby.
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2007-12-18, 15:23 | Link #35 |
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I have changed some of my opinions of the characters since I last evaluated them, so mind you that this post might contradict what I have said before. Also, people use the term "scum of the earth" rather lightly. Many others do far worse things than Makoto and you don't even need examples to figure that out. I guess the term is relative.
Watching his death may have been fun and all, but I think the death in general was extreme. It reminds me of all those stories where the blatantly evil antagonists die and suddenly with them gone it solves everybody's problems, except none of the characters in School Days fit in either "good" or "evil" groupings. They're all morally ambiguous, and while none of them are innocent, he did display some guilt in episode 12 of what he had done - even though he didn't even bother to do anything to fix it (you could vaguely compare Makoto to a chain smoker/drinker who knows what he's doing is apparently wrong, but can't break out of the habit easily). Considering that kiss he made in front of Sekai though, I'm probably giving him more credit than he deserves if I think that he's making a good effort to break out of it. Anyway, no, I don't really think death was appropriate. Makoto needed to be taught a lesson - something nobody around him even bothered to do. The people around him know he's up to no-good, but the only thing Sekai ever did was ruin his dinner and gut him. Kotonoha was in her own little world, the milquetoast. Since Makoto himself is older than a child yet not anywhere near an adult, the other girls are about as much to blame as him. |
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(How did this thread even came in to existence >.>)
I am scared people would actually sentence him to Death! for this. We are not talking some form of punishment here (which he definitely deserves), we are talking about taking a life away! What does it solve ? As immature and inconsiderate as Makoto is, and as much as i would be among the first to beat some sense in to him and make him take responsibility, he does not deserve to die. Death sentence is reserved for the worst of criminals at some places of the world. Do you honestly believe Makoto is at their level ? Honestly ? In no way is his actions justifiable, and i would gladly see him get his just deserts. But death is not what he deserved. In the end it boils down to cheating and being severally inconsiderate towards two girls. But that does not amount to a death sentence. He has not broken any laws, if anything Taisuke stepped much closer (actually he crossed) to this line.
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2007-12-18, 16:20 | Link #38 | |
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In any case, the only times he did something intentionally to hurt someone was when he was forced in a direct confrontation to say or do something. If he wasn't forced, he always ran away and delayed action. I do think that he did eventually become fairly deliberate and calculating in continuing his playboy behavior. I also think that he did start to wake up at the end when he did finally say that psycho girl was his girlfriend. This whole event did not take all that much time. There a lot of changes that happened in a very short period of time. That's also why I think it quite possible that Makoto could change back into a nice decent person. Sex can be like a drug. Sexual addiction is a real thing. People who get addicted do some pretty crappy things to get their fix. |
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@skyfall so its alrite to kill unborn childs, aka abortion? Giving him the right to suggest and actually want to see it through, killing the child inside Sekai, he is killing someone. For just that, I personally dont condone "an eye for an eye" since like Ghandi stated, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind". I cant see how anyone could suggest abortion when they want to "act" mature. If you are willing to have sex, you should be mature enough to take it all the consequeneces that come with it. So after you get someone pregnant, you go and kill the child that you made....sounds so much like the wealthy kids in modern day eh? Oh, we cant deal with this...kill it.
@fervor, does it matter if it was deliberately put it? If it shows it, it there, done. I dont think its out of character because, look what he stated when Otome came. He said the pregnancy wasnt "his fault". The only thing he was thinking was, yes I am getting pussy tonite instead of the problem at hand. I do agree though, that the only time he stated anything to hurt anyone DIRECTLY was forced but by name means did he have to do such things... He felt no remorse for ANY of his actions at the end which is more reason for his outcome...showing some sign of wrongdoing would have been the least he could have done... |
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