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View Poll Results: Tate no Yuusha/Shield Hero - Episode 20 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 1 | 9.09% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 1 | 9.09% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 2 | 18.18% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 27.27% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 18.18% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 9.09% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 9.09% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2019-05-22, 21:02 | Link #21 | |
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Spear is an idiot and cardboard cutout of a cool, good looking guy for Naofumi to triumph over. Bow mostly does not take things seriously enough. Naofumi is a spokesman for the slavery industry and a ball of boiling teenage angst mixed with an incredibly contrived dose of misogyny. And this is the whitewashed version. The webnovel version is just an all around asshole and that is his good side. |
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2019-05-22, 22:06 | Link #22 |
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So, is the queen's armor the same model that Malty got Naofumi to buy for her back in ep 1? That's either a cheap bit of reused design, or a nod to Malty's designs on the throne from day 1. She's even still wearing that armor right now.
Pope's full name is Bisca T. Balmus. Bisca T ⇒ Biscuit. Biscuit got nommed. 5 1/2 minutes of Naofumi being possessed by Rage. While I can appreciate the intent, it really doesn't translate well into video form. Written form handles extended time periods much better (including the pause-for-dialog bits in this and last episode) because you're not really "on the clock" while reading. Video makes it much more apparent. I'm also not entirely sure I buy into the justification for Raphtalia, Filo and Melty trying to pull Naofumi back, right after he got their agreement to allow him to use the rage shield. This is one where I wish there was more outside perspective to show what motivated them to suddenly change their minds. Really liked Naofumi saying "please", and getting a "friendship will prevail" line from Motoyasu. Feels like Naofumi really learned a lesson this time, and took Fitoria's words to heart. Also shows the real heroic underpinnings of Motoyasu, setting aside the fool persona for a bit. The actual fight being backed by the first OP was solid. Loved the bit about absorbing the Phoenix Blaze in a combo spell with Filo — a new move that fit Naofumi's fighting style, and tipped a hat towards Filo's gluttony. Queenie used 'Dritte' level magic — "third" in German, in line with Erst (first) and Zweit (second). Respect, girl. |
2019-05-23, 09:48 | Link #24 | |
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That would have made for a nice original ending.
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And nom, that queen; now anime watchers know why I (WN reader) preferred to ship naofumi with the queen instead of raftalia or (uugh) firo/melty....NTRing the king notwithstanding. |
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2019-05-23, 15:13 | Link #26 |
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So this queen finally decided to show herself.
Freaking hell you were missing for almost the entire series for no apparent reason! You don't deserve to get a badass introduction and stroll through to the heroes like you and your army saved the day! Also, while we're on the topic, can you at least raise your eldest child a little better? Look at how evil your eldest daughter turned out to be! Again for no apparent reason! Did you feed her rotting dragon meat when she was young for her to turn into something this evil? We better get a satisfactory explanation about where she has been all this time and why she chose this moment to show herself.
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2019-05-23, 17:15 | Link #27 | |
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Yeah, but that would include Melty .
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I have to wonder what went wrong with Malty. Maybe they spoiled her too much and she took her status as princess for granted, or she was a bad egg to start. Maybe it's why the queen treated Melty different and tried to mold her into someone worthy of becoming queen.
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2019-05-23, 18:17 | Link #28 | |
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1. Malty's attitude is entirely due to how she was raised 2. The difference between the personality of the two sisters is entirely due to how they were raised 3. The age difference between the 2 sisters is at most 5-6 years then that means by age 5-6 the queen has given up and Malty is already showing that ... undesirable attitude of hers and the queen has instead focused her efforts on raising Melty to be unlike her older sister
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2019-05-23, 19:06 | Link #29 |
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I bet that marriage was purely political somehow. Personally, I think she should put him and her older daughter to the sword. They jeopardized the peace of the world in a bid to take all four heroes and then purposely tried to get one killed, on top of the daughter trying to kill her sister. Unless there's a seriously good reason there should be at least two heads rolling here by the end of the next episode.
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2019-05-23, 19:42 | Link #30 | |
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And seriously, Naofumi has not once stated he thinks slavery is good or bad, only that he was pushed into a corner where he had no alternative (again, something the author claimed to be aiming for: the depths to which one may sink for the sake of survival under persecution). And he has not ONCE spoken badly of women or demonstrated any evidence of misogyny. The only thing he's demonstrated is that being a woman won't make him hold back, and that there's one particular woman whom he views with absolute contempt and hatred. So no, he's not pro-slavery and certainly not misogynistic. And I honestly can't imagine someone enjoying a show enough to watch it to this point if they actually believed this to be true of the hero. And Kinematics, as to why the girls fought to bring him back, I'm pretty sure, lies in the difference between using the power and being consumed by it. At first he was fighting it, declaring that he would not surrender to it; he'd remember his rage in order to access the power he needed, but he wouldn't let the rage control him. But then he lost it, allowed the wrath to swallow him and began to forget the world around him, at which point the girls grabbed him and tried to pull him back. |
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2019-05-23, 21:09 | Link #31 | |
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I think the king and Malty definitely deserve some harsh punishments even if I don't think the queen is cold-blooded enough to execute her own family. The king at least had nothing to do with trying to off Melty but he did probably override the queen's wishes by summoning the four Heroes together and treating Naofumi like dirt. But I also wouldn't be surprised if Malty talked him into it. Instead of alleviating his wife's burden by protecting the kingdom, he arguably just made it worse.
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2019-05-23, 21:14 | Link #32 | |
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2019-05-23, 22:14 | Link #33 | |
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2019-05-24, 03:21 | Link #34 | |
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2019-05-24, 07:58 | Link #35 |
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I've been keeping up in the novels (lots of free time) and I haven't seen one thing there either to indicate the slightest support of slavery or disdain toward women. Disdain toward particular women, sure, but women in general no. He's certainly a bastard and thinks himself even worse than he is, but he's not a misogynist or someone who likes the idea of owning someone and being able to circumvent consent. Honestly, I still get the very strong feeling that this is just a demonstration of the power of initial impressions. He does a few things at the beginning that are deliberately extreme, and as a result every step he takes afterward is interpreted differently, resulting in potentially events and actions being interpreted as pro-slavery or misogyny that would be interpreted differently without these initial assumptions. Besides, we're dealing with the anime in this thread, and even if you can find a way to interpret Naofumi in such a way in the light novels, in the anime he's not any of this.
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2019-05-24, 11:47 | Link #36 | |
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Naofumi was quite happy to call out the other heroes for the unintended side effects of their good deeds so he should be called out for the unintended side effects of his evil deeds, i.e. boosting the market for slaves. And yes, Naofumi has had his rough edges ground down more in every iteration since the web novels(the changes from web novel to light novel were huge) however he still has an irrational reaction to women even in the anime otherwise Raphtalia would not have a slave seal right now. As for why I still watch the show while not being a big fan of Naofumi and a lot of the world building it is because I like fantasy anime and this season there is this and Kenja no Mago. |
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2019-05-24, 16:09 | Link #38 | |
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And as for "boosting the slave market" to this point he's bought one slave total. And we haven't heard one thing up to this point about any changes to the market at all. Not to mention that he didn't want Raphtalia to go back to being his slave, it was a choice she made. As for his "irrational reaction to women" you'd have to give me examples because in both this and the parts of the light novel I've read I haven't seen a single instant where he reacts to women any differently than men, aside from the very beginning when he'd been at his absolute lowest and convinced himself to take Raphtalia, where the LN has him reason to himself that he can view her as a proxy for Mein. One singular line to which his actions paint a completely different picture, part of the reason I'd suspected early on that at least half of the cruel things he said and thought in those early parts were just ways for him to either excuse the bad things he felt he needed to do or make a bad thing out of any other choices he made. And yeah, if he hadn't thought that one thought at that one time Raphtalia wouldn't have the seal right now. She'd be wherever the trader throws out his dead merchandise. But aside from that one, SINGLE line since then he's treated men and women the same, showing far more concern for people's attitudes and families and pretty much zero concern for their gender. Once again, entirely a matter of initial impression coloring all future interactions and leading to things being interpreted with preexisting assumptions. |
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2019-05-24, 19:29 | Link #39 | |
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So you're telling me that when he first got Raph, in the LN, he didn't state that he could almost pretend that she was Myne being controlled and enslaved by him?
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2019-05-25, 01:05 | Link #40 | |
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For more visual storytelling, in the anime, you'll note that every time Naofumi was saying cruel or mean things to Raphtalia (such as the rabbit fight), he always kept his face turned away from her. In fact, even when the camera faced him, his face was in shadow, so not even the audience could see him directly. It's a facade that he knows he can't keep up. He's not good at lying. |
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