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2011-08-12, 18:59 | Link #23 |
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If nothing else we will find out what the American people deserve.
That's the thing about democracies; people will vote for what thy think they want. What they vote for might not be what they actually need, but it would be what they asked for. If an extremist gets in the Whitehouse, it is for no other reason than because the public voted that way. As a foreigner I watch with disinterest knowing either way it would not help the rest of the world much.
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2011-08-12, 19:45 | Link #24 |
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Aye. But, this quote from ol' Winston gives me hope:
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
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2011-08-12, 20:00 | Link #25 | |
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And since most of America don't actually vote, they deserve what's coming by not choosing.
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2011-08-12, 20:08 | Link #26 | |
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The only populist slant I can see in today's GOP is their social ideology, which of course appeals to the tens of millions of social conservatives in the party. I'm sure they all love a Texan governor who prays to god to solve his state's problems. But financially? You're going to have to scrounge up some pretty strong evidence to convince me our national GOP doesn't work for the wealthiest elite. |
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2011-08-12, 20:42 | Link #27 |
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The vast majority of Republicans are not wealthy. That is a fact that you cannot deny. Republicans also arent out to punish the rich and raise their taxes to make thinga 'fair' for everyone else. Republican voters want equal opportunity, but not equal outcome. There is a big difference between the two. They dont care about class warfare. They are not voting Republican because they are looking for government help. They want less government not more. And what government they do want, is that of a.strong military. I am speaking of the voters mond you. Not the politicians. the Democratic Party platform is not what Republican voters want or support.
It is your choice to understand reality or to ignore it. Just because you believe that you know better on what the 50 million Republican voters should want is very arrogant on your part. What you want and believe and advocate, is not what they want, believe, or advocate. Both sides view things very differently. As I have stated many times in the past, between the two parties, the Republican Party is the closest to what I believe. Though that isnt saying much, considering how badly both parties are tied up with special interests. I do not believe in the Democratic Platform. It goes against everything I have ever believed and I cannot support positions that I am completely against.
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2011-08-12, 20:57 | Link #28 | |
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When it comes to social polices -- I've come to realize -- after being a member of a church body with heavy compliance to the Bible. Things like - anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, and other such "emotional" issues can be dealt with by churches on their own. Surely, societies around the churches can "evolve" to accept social policies not in compliance with the church. But at least, the government cannot force a church to accept unwanted policies, under protection of the First Amendment. I'd have to say. Ever since Roe v Wade, that concept faded away with heavy emotional strife and attachment.
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2011-08-12, 20:58 | Link #29 |
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I really like this statement, and I would like to add that it's impossible to create equal outcome with equal opportunity, it's going to be engineered one way or another.
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2011-08-12, 21:03 | Link #30 |
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Hopefully I can save up enough to trade NASDAQ and NYSE before the elections officially begin. There will be plenty of short positions to call, no matter which politician says what.
Honestly speaking, the US elections are starting to look like a farce, after the Congress's makeover. It doesn't matter who runs the country, they are heading for a Roman plutocracy in the next decade.
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2011-08-12, 21:12 | Link #33 | |
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I also hope to see roe v wade changed in the future, and again left the decisions to the states. I do not support 99% of Democratic Policies and am very consistent on my beliefs.
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2011-08-12, 21:18 | Link #34 | |
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Do you see anyone in the current candidate field for the GOP that reflects your interests? One that doesn't make fundamental errors in their assertions (basic math, misrepresentation of facts, making things up) or one that isn't a plutocrat minion (*cough* Romney)? I mean, in my case .... Huntsman and Pawlenty have some potential, I spent most of the 70s, 80s and early 90s in or near Ron Paul's district. He's about as clear as it gets in doing what he believes in. It just depends on whether one thinks it is realistic or not. Personally, I think every Congress needs at least one Ron Paul just to remind "Caesar he is but mortal". However, from my view over the last 40+ years, the last 15 years has been a spiraling decay of mediocrity and incompetence of the GOP from the perspective of Main Street. Not that I can't rip the Dems apart as well (ala that Dylan Ratigan video rant that is making the Internet rounds).
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2011-08-12, 21:21 | Link #35 | |
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Ok, that is stating something obvious.
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2011-08-12, 21:39 | Link #38 | |
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Why dont you tell me what the Democrats do, that Republican voters would agree on, vs the Republica. platform? For the last time. Why I have voted Republican in the past, is either because I believed in what they said and did, or it was to keep the democrat who i viewed as a worst option, out of office. Lesser of two evils if you will. I will not.vote for a Democrat. They do not want the same America that I want. We are polar opposites. Vexx: perhaps you missed one of my earlier posts. I stated that at this point, I will not be voting for any of the Republicans who were in the debate last night. I also will not vote for Rick perry. My dad met him years ago in Dallas and said he was a cocky little man, and not the kind of person we need in the White House. Of course he also said Obama was a cold sort of guy who looked down on people when my dad met him as a senator years ago. The vast majority of these politicians.arent.worth a crap. |
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2011-08-12, 22:03 | Link #39 |
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I find it really hard to understand the Republicans, and American conservatism generally. I find European political parties pretty easy. Heck the Democratic party is pretty conventional too. But the republican party is all kinds of crazy. The closest I can think of is the UK conservative party, but the conservatives are pretty aristocratic, so it makes sense. The republicans are... I don't know.
I think the weirdest part is the way there's such an unholy Alliance between the religious right and business interests. Usually pro-business parties don't give a damn about religion, in fact they're often as not liberal. I suppose it may be down to the fact that there's a vacuum in the US that socialists usually occupy. The US is perhaps the only country I know of without a popular socialist party. The weirdest thing is the anti-tax thing. I mean no country likes taxes, but I can't think of any group that is so hard set against taxes. We're not talking demon worship here. Taxes are taxes. Suck it up and move on. Sometimes taxes have to be hiked. I'll take good roads, police, schools and hospitals over low taxes any day. |
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