2013-07-07, 16:53 | Link #23 |
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I don't think Accelerator would lose in his strongest form straight and simple.
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@Ilidsor I don't think he could lose. We have the power level chart after all. I'm guessing that's a somewhat ranking of esper abilities. We realize that Accelerator was most likely Spoiler for Season 3 of Index:
If it were, why even learn esper abilities? (I guess if you don't know about magic... but then the esper side wouldn't be as strong as it is... maybe... I don't know. I feel like Accelerator could be beaten via a simple method: Spoiler for episode 15 Railgun S maybe :
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2013-07-07, 18:41 | Link #24 | |
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Winged Accelerator is probably a different story.
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2013-07-07, 18:55 | Link #25 | |
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It's not that Accelerator is unbeatable, just that for most people beating him requires a non-reflectable attack with surprise and speed sufficient to defeat Accelerator before he figures out how to counter it. An attack that confuses Accelerator (such as magic) is a plus. Spoiler for Spoilers for future events in LN:
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2013-07-07, 19:37 | Link #27 | |
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I think Accelerator is well-balanced. My favorite power in this series is IB for hopefully obvious reasons. Accelerator is partially so powerful after all because of the experiments. I think though that he was really strong when he was younger as well (to a point) [spoiler=episode 15] remember the flashback when he was a kid with Aiho... enough said. [/episode 15] I am pretty sure that Accelerator has one of the richest character developments in Index. His one major weakness Spoiler for post railgun S and somewhat during Railgun S:
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2013-07-07, 22:13 | Link #31 | ||
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2: This franchise is infamous for its horrible writing. Have you tried to actually read the Light Novels? They are quite possibly the worse written books I have ever read. Show don't tell is regularly violated, the structure is awful and mind numbing, the plots are full of holes and filled with reams of scotch tape. The Sisters Arc is one of the few decent plots. I don't read this stuff for the writing quality, I come for the incredible world building, and interesting characters. Spoiler for Later events:
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Fast acting poison might work though, because it could disable him before he has a chance to manipulate the vectors. Since that would need more then simple reflection.
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2013-07-07, 22:31 | Link #33 |
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...Are you trolling here? Because I literally just explained why that happened in the post you are responding to. He didn't 'turn it off' he was so busy calculating something else he didn't have the spare calculation to make it work by default like it normally does.
It's explained why he can breath and stuff so many times it's not even funny so I'm not even going to bother replying to that.
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2013-07-07, 22:33 | Link #34 | |
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So the point with teleportation, whether it has a vector or not, is that when Accelerator exactly enters in contact with a teleported object? The episode of the glasses in Toaru Kagaku in my opinion should have never existed, because it simply makes Kuroko practically unbeatable. For a glass to cut a column made of reinforced concrete there's no getting around it, it must have literally materialized directly in place, it would have never worked otherwise. The only way to justify a way for Accelerator to survive that is by some kind of convoluted pseudo-scientific explanation, like "teleportation creates some kind of invisible gate on the destination first which Accelerator can deflect". But then again Sackett is right, it's probably better to not think too much, there's too much stuff that doesn't quite make sense.
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2013-07-07, 22:45 | Link #35 | |
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2013-07-07, 22:56 | Link #36 |
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This isn't wrong; at least I think so. I'm only talking about Spoiler for volume 22, NT 7:
@Sackett I think you're mistaking with the light novel. The reason the light novel is not as great as you would like it is because it is translated to english unprofessionally. BT does a great job and the translators are great, but it's hard or impossible to translate a book close to as near as well as a the original Japanese version. When the author uses character names and events and kanji that have multiple layered meanings, it is impossible to use english to show this. It's a weakness of the English language. I speak 4 languages and 3 fluently, so I recognize some of the weaknesses of English compared to other languages. Here... you have to realize that Kamachi's novels are most likely written much better than what you have seen. We don't see the original version... you do understand that... The same author does the railgun manga after all. It's just that the railgun manga volumes sold in the US were done via a professional translation and even the volumes online were done pretty well and there is much less to translate per chapter, but the volumes sold are probably slightly better done anyway because they are obviously professional compared to people who are doing it that are not being paid. The series is a lot better than what you read online. Most people on the English wiki can only look at translations that are made in order to understand it. I'm taking Japanese next year and for a while longer than that and want to learn it (well for many reasons), but partially to be able to understand anime/manga/LNs completely. You have to realize that it's not in its perfect form. However, what Ilidsor was certainly true here. Spoiler for Accelerator facial features explanation and power explanation:
Anyway, you guys seem to be trashing what's going on. Talking about Accelerator during Railgun S... he is initially pretty strong. We can obviously tell this when he beats Mikoto thoroughly. I want to re-iterate here that it was his first time battling another level 5 when he fought her. He didn't know she was that weak. He wasn't just trying to insult her. He didn't actually know about her powers... but he purposely didn't use railgun to send it back at her and destroy her via reflect... I think Accelerator can most easily be beaten now because of his extreme arrogance because he has always won all of his fights easily seemingly without even being touched. I'm guessing damaging his ego is a good first step to win... anyway... @Sackett: Spoiler for Index II:
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Nonetheless, that's no excuse to put a dark glass on everything and think by default that the narrative is bad and whatever you don't agree with is the author's fault. You could at least make an effort to read carefully and try to understand those parts before passing them as defective. Last edited by leukrota; 2013-07-07 at 23:16. |
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2013-07-07, 23:12 | Link #38 |
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I don't think it's trained. He's had it since he was a child, before he got involved in the 'darkness' of AC. It's 'trained' in the sense that he only got it when he became an esper but from what we have seen it's an inherent part of his power.
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2013-07-08, 01:05 | Link #39 | |
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But if Sackett were talking about plot problems, then I somewhat agree with him. The power levels do get a little messed up and nonsensical at some point. But then again, it's hard to find a series with concrete plot-hole-less (in a pseudo sense in terms of plausability) explanations when the world-view becomes huge. Mahouka is still by far the best in giving me satisfying explanations to the world mechanics, though even that too became debatable when it touches bio-chemical stuff (specifically restoration on bodies lolz), where the author seems to lack sufficient knowledge in. Problem is authors can't be experts in each and every field that their story is going to touch on. So the conclusion is that it's best not to think too much on these things |
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