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Perfect 10 | 1 | 11.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 1 | 11.11% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 33.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 44.44% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2019-06-19, 18:42 | Link #21 | |
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Another argument: her words weren't auto translated until L'arc used his weapon on her.
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2019-06-19, 18:54 | Link #24 | |
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So there's potentially two other Heroes from their world who we haven't seen yet. Which I guess begs the question of why they've only started appearing now. Like, Glass didn't show up in the first Wave and L'Arc didn't show up in the second, so is there a pre-requisite for how many of them can leave their Earth during a Wave? Will the third Hero of their Earth show up for the fourth Wave?
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2019-06-19, 18:55 | Link #25 | |
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2019-06-19, 18:58 | Link #26 |
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Well gosh what an episode that was.
Was really enjoying them fighting together to take down the enemies in the wave and then all that happened. At least we know why though, good thing Naofumi and the others have powered up, now they might be able to beat Glass or at least repel her until another time. |
2019-06-19, 19:15 | Link #27 | |
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A way to define hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense. What is their excuse of sacrificing a world and it's inhabitants to save their world. IS it the only way? Can they even know it's the only way? They "show" they have morals but they are still two people who consider genocide on a global scale to protect their world is an unfortunate but acceptable price. Trying to claim letting innocent people die as a result of collateral damage is bad so they save them instead rings hollow in the face of that.
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2019-06-19, 19:59 | Link #28 | |
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Glass would have killed the other three heroes on that Ship when she first met instead of brushing them off, which would have basically screwed them over right then and there. The moment she didn't do so was the moment you basically had to accept they're basically half-assing it. So while we can complain about them playing nice, which is a luxury they can only afford because they're basically stronger than the protagonists, the series would have been over if they were the kind of people who would have gotten this done already.
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2019-06-19, 20:06 | Link #29 | |
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If you choose you can certainly view this as them claiming some moral high ground or trying to make themselves feel better by saving people they're going to kill anyway, but I for one think it fits better and is a preferable viewpoint to think that jumping in to save people in danger is kind of wired into them (something I'd expect of a serious long-term hero) to the point that even if they know they're on a mission that will end in those people's death they still save them for now out of habit or reflex, or because there really is a part of them that can't stand this and in these short term moments that side wins out. But again you didn't answer my question. Suppose for a moment that, knowing that doing so would doom their world to destruction or at least doom millions to death over the course of the Waves, those three chose not to attack the Heroes on the other side. They travel about and do their best to actively save people in trouble and protect them from the Waves. But they're refusing to carry out an action that would put an end to these Waves and save millions more than they can protect on their own. Are they hypocrites for trying to save and protect these people they're dooming by inaction? |
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2019-06-19, 20:13 | Link #30 |
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So is this the conflict that Fitoria was talking about? The choice of whether to save the people or save the world? Obviously one of those choices involves beating the heroes from the other world, leaving that world to 'die' (?) while protecting your own. Finding a way to end the Waves while saving both worlds seems a much more difficult task.
I suspect the prior heroes made the choice to defeat the enemy heroes, which saves their world, but leaves regret, and that's why Fitoria was hoping that Naofumi would make the other choice. I do wonder whether the conflict is always between these two same worlds (which seems unlikely, given the speculative premise that saving your own world destroys the other), or that each of these worlds are the survivors of a sort of battle royale among a multiverse of worlds? If it's a perpetual storm of colliding universes, I don't know how to even begin considering how to stop the Waves permanently, rather than simply protecting your world each time it happens. It does open the question of what exactly happens to the world that was defeated, and why beating the heroes of that world 'saves' the other. I do wonder about the origin of all the undead and monsters that fall from the sky in each Wave. Given L'arc, Terese, and Glass, it feels unlikely that the undead are from their own world. Do the monsters sort of spring into existence in the space between universes, and 'fall' in when the Wave whirlpools open? Also, what's the deal with L'arc and Glass coming to the Melromarc world, when presumably this Wave will also be hitting their own world? Do the remaining two heroes on their side deal with the monsters that appear there? Given Glass and L'arc's strength, I wouldn't be surprised if two of their heroes could hold the line on their side. And of course, how do they travel to the Melromarc world? Well, it's probably another function of the legendary weapons, like the teleportation feature. |
2019-06-19, 20:32 | Link #32 | |
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Look we're clearly just going around and around in circles until one of us gets bored and walks away. We have differing points of view on the same piece of information and I don't see us seeing eye to eye on this if we're now on the third repetition of this. Let's just agree to disagree at this point. I don't feel I'm wrong on this and neither do you. There's no objective "right" answer to this. Just different points of view. Which highlights the problem.
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2019-06-19, 20:35 | Link #33 | ||
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2019-06-19, 21:01 | Link #34 | |
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Otherwise indeed I agree. I can't deny that your POV could be valid as much as mine. But I don't see that as necessarily a problem. All depends on how things pan out. If we were to both read/watch to the very end of the entire story and feel satisfied that questions we had were answered, even if we disagreed on those answers, I think it'd be a good story. It's hardly unusual for even brilliant masterpieces to have multiple interpretations depending on individuals' assumptions and opinions. Especially when dealing with a trolley-type plot. Sometimes one really is faced with ethical questions that have no right answer, but that in and of itself makes it a compelling trial to face characters with. |
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2019-06-19, 22:53 | Link #35 |
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OH NO, WE'RE BEING ATTACKED BY BAD CG!
I gotta say, if Fitoria knew about the whole deal with the heroes from other worlds and didn't tell Naofumi than a lot of what she said about trust and all that bs just went down the drain in this episode.
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2019-06-19, 23:00 | Link #36 | |
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What she told Naofumi about what past Heroes had to do might've been the most she remembered about the Wave conflict, as Kinematics alluded to.
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2019-06-21, 12:52 | Link #38 | |
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The Pope wasn't a "staff hero". Just as Raphtalia using a sword does not mean Ren cannot be the Sword Hero. |
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