2017-10-08, 09:01 | Link #21 |
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Well yeah, that's why my tone on the show's tryhardness immediately changed once I found out that it was a Garo show. But in this particular chase the charm is not working for me to the extent I hoped it would. So far it's not genuine and fun, due to the reasons I mentioned above, IMO and all that. (But man, that roller skate girl and her boobs flopping around like fish on land. That wasn't charming, that was embarrassing.)
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2017-10-09, 03:05 | Link #22 |
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Well this is another unique Garo for sure, considering how Makai Knights are supposed to act in covert this is quite fun to watch. Kinda pity the Makai Priest who is supporting Sword. I wonder how many times has he had to erase people's memory.
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2017-10-09, 08:20 | Link #24 |
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Not sure about battles yet, but I like idea of "not hero archetype" Garo like Sword is. He certainly is cool guy, but not in way it would cater your regurlar chuuni teenagers. I like him, though he will nedd some good interaction with other to be able shine as character. He does has failing potential for sure.
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2017-10-10, 11:13 | Link #26 |
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I also really liked the first episode. Between this and Blood battle, I think I'm in for a fun season.
I also really liked Sword. Fun character, who doesn't seem to take himself to seriously, but still does his job properly, more or less. And I liked his interactions with Sophie and Zaruba. I also got a chuckle out of his dinner choice. I can imagine how much food, especially protein he's got to consume just to maintain his bulk.
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2017-10-10, 18:58 | Link #27 |
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I like Sword too. He reminds me of Dante from Devil May Cry. I'm looking forward to seeing his interactions with Luke/Rook.
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2017-10-10, 19:22 | Link #28 |
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This is an interesting take on Garo. Gives me a Kekkai Sensen vibes. Doesn't help that they're both airing this season.
Zaruba talked more in this episode than the previous two installments combined. And, holy damn, That Madou Bike is plain awesome.
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2017-10-11, 19:46 | Link #30 | |
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But AFAIK there's a good reason why most anime characters are slim and handsome teenagers than grown-ass macho men. Even in the West such a person would appeal more like a dad figure or future role model than something a teenager can identify as even in their dreams. Which isn't bad, actually. I can kinda say this could even inspire a youth to work towards this which is infinitely better than the mindset the typical "bishounen hero" produces. Just don't say this would really appeal to teen audiences. If anything it works for my generation. Sword has a very late 80s to early 90s style "badass hero" vibe which I am fully approving of. |
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This isn't a teen title in the West. It's going to get a 17+ rating here judging by ep. 1 content and the dark shading in certain spots imo. With all the bodybuilding and physical appearance mentality, sports emphasis that's going on here, a few teens would prob be wanting to identify with him. He's not a father figure type here imo.
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So, what Tenzen & Willy said still stands since your argument mostly only involved western audience.
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Not even a Wild Tiger stand in. He's not a father figure type. He's a bachelor (single hetero male) having fun. We can agree to disagree as our disagreement is regionally based.
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Which is why your argument does not connect. Tenzen & Willy are discussing about Japanese/Asian audience but then you came talking about western audience .
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2017-10-12, 06:41 | Link #35 | |
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Not sure if there are many teens or youths can identify as Sword, though. Again, he's an adult man and has a lifestyle you can only relate as someone who experienced that age. His interactions with and treatment of Sophie and his whole attitude also screams an adult rather than a teenager. Granted, the buyer base in the West is more grounded in adults anyways, so yeah. In short as you said marketed for 17+ in the West so right around where this character type would be fit. The point is as Obelisk said is that like almost every Japanese anime this is primarily marketed for the Japanese audience. It's aired on TV and watched by teens. Yet as Tenzen said its protagonist doesn't appeal to the chuuni demographic. That was the point. You might argue that it could appeal to a demographic of "edgy" teens but the term "chuunibyou" or just in short "chuuni" is AFAIK a Japanese-specific term so by default you should assume that country or possibly the region and not anything else. |
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2017-10-12, 06:50 | Link #36 |
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But... how does Sword not appeal to the "chuuni demographic"? He's a strong macho dude who has sex with hot girls and fights monsters with his bare fist and has a cool motorbike (with skulls!) and is also an actual superhero who fights with swords and whatnot. Sure, this character type is somewhat retro nowadays (which is why it's obvious that this is being marketed toward a Western audience) but he's a walking chuuni teen boy wishfulfillment. You used to have this character all over anime and manga in the '80s-'00s, and even nowadays it's not rare at all. (To the point where Osomatsu-san is parodyig it still, with Karamatsu.)
It's not a Japanese-specific term, it's just a term the Japanese use to describe edgy teens - or adults who behave like edgy teens. |
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about japan, while is true which they like more that sort of characters, it's more due to japanese normal look, japaneses males overal are like that slim and not too much muscle, even martial artists, only sumo martial artists which you see they being more "muscle" and fat, or guys from yakusa to put "more fear" in they looks, overal they rarelly work on bodybuild, because they feel which due to they martial arts, they don't need to be "all muscle and brute" to defend themselfs once majority of martial arts where developed to be used by slim and not so muscle peoples. but nowadays excluding the chuuny teens and otakus it's is changing specially exactly due to western influence, a lot of things are changing but still in a very slow pace(like some decades more), western is slowly influence japan not only on culture but also in "otaku market", western heroes like justice league or avengers are slowly start to gain popularity over japan but really at slow pace and western archtype of characters are slowly getting in japan tastes.
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Second, Sword’s age and look are not what today's chuuni teens easily relate to for obvious reasons. Again, they usually want MCs that’s younger (aka. closer to their age) and cooler than just a “muscle guy”. Third, not all chuuni teens like monster bikes. Yamaha DT125R like the one Kirito uses? Sure, that looks cool to them. But oversized monster bike like the one Sword is riding? That’s a different story. As for being a hero, kiling monsters, and bedding gorgeous girls.....those are like the most basic things that straight male audience like no matter your age or where you come from. That’s not specifically catering to chuuni teenagers. They are called general appeal (just like delicious food). The first two of them are pretty much standard premise and requirements for a fantasy action superhero show and the last is pretty much providing the T&A factor that straight males simply like to various degrees (James Bond movies, anyone?). Quote:
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I think you misunderstood Willy’s post. He said that macho heroes like Batman can be a future inspiration/role model for teenagers when it comes to what they want to become when they reach adulthood. However, no matter how much they like heroes like Batman, western teens can’t immediately relate to him compared to heroes like Spiderman (& Robin/Nightwing to a lesser extend) who are mostly depicted as teenagers or college students with relatable teen problems. After all, there’s a reason why Spiderman is super-popular with the comicbook main demographic (teens and tweens) and idolized by those who read/watched his adventures when they were at that age. Why? Because as teenagers, they felt a number of aspects of their lives are represented by the likes of Spidey, just like some wish-fulfilment otaku MCs from Re:Zero, No Game No Life, SAO, etc. Only, Spiderman did it better.
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2017-10-12, 12:33 | Link #39 |
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I'm with Obelisk on this one, I'd say Sword appeals to males in general, and in no way to teenagers specifically. As almost everybody has noted, he's a retro hero from the 80s-90s, and times have obviously changed. I can't imagine a hero like Sword doing it for modern teenagers and chuunis in particular, they're more likely to appeal to their dads actually
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another note currently original spider-man is not more a "teen" the currently teen one is mile morales, original spider (peter) is a adult ofcourse most movies and cartoons try to show him more like a kid but only that versions in currently marvel hq universe the "teen spider" is mile. well about nightwing, even being young you see him being very "macho like", being all bulk and muscle, normally most of the "teen characters around 16+ in HQ are much more muscle than japaneses heroes which again is a specific japanese art style, they love to draw characters less muscle and more slim/skinning, specially for teens, while western like to draw characters more "muscle" even if a little, this is one of the differences between western and asian art hq style.
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