William Gibson predicted 2d marriage in 1996 SF novel

[Eczema]

Originally Posted by Eczema

I support this movement. It just means more real women for the rest of us.

So there's another forum I frequent where they are also discussing this issue. I made a similar comment to the one above in the other forum as well. Here's the response I got:

Makes no difference since all the pretty/cute real girls will still be taken. The only difference is that there will be more ugly girls floating around.

Cute/pretty real nagging girls > 2d women > ugly/fat real nagging girls??????????????

Having 2d women is basically the same as being single. So the question is, be single or have an ugly nagging girlfriend? I'd rather be single to be honest. Having a 2d woman is just a bonus(?) in my eyes since you're still "single" (2d women aren't real to begin with).

I'm not sure what to think about this. On the one hand, I think you should put in the effort to woo an attractive girl, or failing that, try to find other merits with which to fall in love with a girl other than her looks. But I also think that if you can't feel the attraction for them, it is indeed better to stay single for both parties' sakes. I don't think a girl would like it if her boyfriend didn't find her attractive.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Vexx

It certainly takes care of certain categories of men unable to "relate to women" who don't follow a script. I read one article (can't remember where) that a designer spoke of using AI and these robotics tools to rescue these sorts by quietly and subtly power-leveling their social skills.

Seriously, they should have never locked up the tigers....

Yes. Then all those fools spending time outdoors would get eaten, and maybe I could get a girlfriend.

Originally Posted by Eczema

I support this movement. It just means more real women for the rest of us.

Unless women prefer bishies who always agree with them and never nag at them for sex.

[Knight Hawk]

Originally Posted by Eczema

I support this movement. It just means more real women for the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Mystique

Hurray to filtering out the men who want and can handle a real lady?

What about the many woman who prefer the "perfect" man? Lets not be one sided here. We're all human here with different preferences. Talking about the Holodeck, lets take that a bit further; A.I that can reproduce. Will humanity be doomed? Personally ill say no, just gives us humans more options for a mate

[TigerII]

I hate to be the one who says this, but lol Japan. Seriously, some of the things I have seen come from that nation is mind blowing.

[King Lycan]

Yea I know why would you even think about marrying a 2D character. I would want nothing less or more then the real thing >_>
Or is the guy just so ugly ?

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Eczema

So there's another forum I frequent where they are also discussing this issue. I made a similar comment to the one above in the other forum as well. Here's the response I got:

What that tells me is that these dweebs have a very narrow view on what "attractive" is. And a very wide-ranging definition of ugly.

I'll lay 700 quatloos that these dweebs fail their own mirror check under their standards. I'd say they need to get a freaking grip but then - I probably don't want them breeding anyway.

[FatPianoBoy]

"Even if she is fictional, it is still loving someone."
I like that guy's comment, personally.

Also, another quip from a forum I visit, which was posted randomly in a thought-of-the-day type thread before this article was published:

After standing in line for 10 minutes in front of 3 teenage girls who didn't stop talking and gossiping about everyone around them, I finally understand why "moe" anime and escapist series where the girl is sweet, kind, and content being away from the crowd are so popular.

[Claies]

Okay, that's a new low. Certain really nonsense nations have this trend where special interest groups would rather legislate their problems away rather than working to better themselves for the benefit of all parties.

I mean...I see where some really twisted logic can emerge where you can get the "mutual agreement to be together", because you can always draw a rendition of a 2D character who loves you, or at least makes you think he/she loves you. Therefore, no problems on the "mutual agreement" part, even if the normal person might be creeped out that one certain character has 50000 clones, all of which are "happily married" to some otaku and can't fight for "2D characters' rights".

However, by laws of Darwin, these people can't reproduce, so we should be perfectly fine. In fact, due to this, I heartily support this legislation! Then the crazy nutters can happily pass away on their own.

EDIT: In b4 age of consent of 2D characters.

[einhorn303]

I'm surprised that there's so much kneejerk reaction against this idea.

Obviously, a marraige license to a 2d character would be vastly different from one to a 3d person. There are logistical differences. But I think it could be worked out to be beneficial. Basically, I imagine that it would involve paying a $100/10000 yen-ish license fee to the relevant government official, you sign your papers quickly, the government's spent 3 minutes of man time and made some extra money to pay for education, infrastructure, etc costs in this current atmosphere of economic hard times. Hard-core otaku are happy, the government gets a little bit of extra revenue, anime companies get some additional promotion, seems like a win-win situation to me.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by einhorn303

I'm surprised that there's so much kneejerk reaction against this idea.

...

Hard-core otaku are happy, the government gets a little bit of extra revenue, anime companies get some additional promotion, seems like a win-win situation to me.

You forgot the part where they actually have to spend money to draw up and pass the law

[Mystique]

Originally Posted by Knight Hawk

What about the many woman who prefer the "perfect" man? Lets not be one sided here. We're all human here with different preferences. Talking about the Holodeck, lets take that a bit further; A.I that can reproduce. Will humanity be doomed? Personally ill say no, just gives us humans more options for a mate

Yes because it's always the women who have the porn and hentai industry catered for them globally.
It's always the women who go around sneaking pictures of young japanese guys at Akihabara.
It's always the women who even think of creating a petition so that they can love bishes til their hearts content.
It's always the women...
You getting my point?
No use playing the gender card on me here, men are the majority for anime/otaku related problems, probably cause the fan ratio still falls heavily on the males.
We want sexy male A to be with sexy male B = we just doujinshi our fantasies out. Or write fanfiction, but eitherway we get creative with our desires, we do not go seeking actual ways to love a fantasy like the way they're trying to do here with this petition.
(At worst, i believe gay guys get hassled a lot, lol.)
"I wish i can find a girl who likes anime."
Is something i hear a lot...

@ einhorn:
You also forget that the creators of the characters may also be against the idea of selling their mental creations to random ass people.
And then to even get a licence?
What to thousands of guys who claim to be marrying "Haruhi" around the world or just in Japan?
Claies is right tho, this is just to legislate their problems away, it's further escapism from reality on an entire new level, psychologically in the long run, i don't see it benefitting anyone.
(Some kid rips a A1 poster of the 'married girl')
Otaku: You killed my wife!! How dare you!??!!
*stab, murder, kill*

(Or imagine them making tens of various copies and plastering all over the walls of their entire home) *creeped out*

After standing in line for 10 minutes in front of 3 teenage girls who didn't stop talking and gossiping about everyone around them, I finally understand why "moe" anime and escapist series where the girl is sweet, kind, and content being away from the crowd are so popular.

Humans are good and bad, bitchy and sweet.
The sweet 'moe' girls are so quiet and shy, guys would never notice them irl regardless.
And the key word about that sentence?
They're 'teenage girls'.

Still say it won't pass and the mountains of Japan will suddenly become a popular destination again.

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by Claies

Okay, that's a new low. Certain really nonsense nations have this trend where special interest groups would rather legislate their problems away rather than working to better themselves for the benefit of all parties.

I mean...I see where some really twisted logic can emerge where you can get the "mutual agreement to be together", because you can always draw a rendition of a 2D character who loves you, or at least makes you think he/she loves you. Therefore, no problems on the "mutual agreement" part, even if the normal person might be creeped out that one certain character has 50000 clones, all of which are "happily married" to some otaku and can't fight for "2D characters' rights".

However, by laws of Darwin, these people can't reproduce, so we should be perfectly fine. In fact, due to this, I heartily support this legislation! Then the crazy nutters can happily pass away on their own.

EDIT: In b4 age of consent of 2D characters.

Distinction between 2D and 3D is gone if people possess the same ability like that guy in Chaos;Head who has a delusion of a 2D character appearing and acting like a real woman. This petition convinces me that all otakus have that special ability... Reproduction might not be a problem, either, if it's only a delusion.

Actually, if this is passed, and otakus can marry 2D characters, do they need written consent from each character's respective creator to do so? And can a character polygame?

[AceD]

Originally Posted by teachopvutru

Distinction between 2D and 3D is gone if people possess the same ability like that guy in Chaos;Head who has a delusion of a 2D character appearing and acting like a real woman. This petition convinces me that all otakus have that special ability... Reproduction might not be a problem, either, if it's only a delusion.?

ye...there special people all right, not the kind with abilitys...more the retarded variety

[Knight Hawk]

Originally Posted by Mystique

...snip..

Ehh~ gender card? You're the one playing such card. I'm merely stating not to leave out the female populace. Woman enjoy porn just as equally as men.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Knight Hawk

Ehh~ gender card? You're the one playing such card. I'm merely stating not to leave out the female populace. Woman enjoy porn just as equally as men.

It would be a error to leave the female populace out of the equation.
But were did you get than Woman enjoy porn just as equally as men?

[Mystique]

Originally Posted by Knight Hawk

Ehh~ gender card? You're the one playing such card. I'm merely stating not to leave out the female populace. Woman enjoy porn just as equally as men.

Concerning the topic at hand, i didn't see it relevant to toss females in, hence i replied to your post as I did.
If the petition was thrown around by girls and guys, then sure we can focus on both genders, but i think it's safe to say it's male otakus who are pushing this to be legalised, thus if the focus is on them it's not being one sided.

Hell aside from me, how many other girls are replying to this thread?
Males dominate the anime industry and related interests, that's a given, girls are a minority. Naturally we enjoy porn (depends on what tho), have male fantasies and lust over characters, however the extreme examples tend to be guys like this example here.

[BOOKGLUTTON]

Originally Posted by Knight Hawk

Ehh~ gender card? You're the one playing such card. I'm merely stating not to leave out the female populace. Woman enjoy porn just as equally as men.

Haha, I'm sure as much, but definitely not as often. Like, not even close.

edit:

Originally Posted by Mystique

Yes because it's always the women who have the porn and hentai industry catered for them globally.
It's always the women who go around sneaking pictures of young japanese guys at Akihabara.
It's always the women who even think of creating a petition so that they can love bishes til their hearts content.
It's always the women...
You getting my point?

Woah, just calm down there for a second. I'm not going to defend men here, but I have met my share of women who do have some ludicrous expectations or ideas. I've had more than a few occasions were I've treated someone to dinner and they literally run down the menu looking for the most expensive things to eat, which usually ends up being awkward when they get lobster and tons of fruit dishes that don't go well at all with each other and end up not eating at all. Either that or they get a 100$ bottle of chateau de keep and can't stomach it.

[Aoie_Emesai]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I can follow the concept of marrying an A.I. ... a companion that you can actually interact with, play games with, watch entertainment with, etc etc. as the tech progresses. (visualizes the first A.I. that decides it wants a divorce ).

However, I'm more thinking medication for someone wanting to marry a drawing or a picture with not even a pretend sense of self.

Marriage is a "civil instrument of legal entanglement" as much of a "mutual declaration of love and commitment" (lets work on that mutual thing....)

Very true. Marriage is usually a bond b/t two person who have consented to it. I'm not sure your anime wife would agree or not.

*chuckle in the corner*

[Knight Hawk]

Originally Posted by Mystique

Concerning the topic at hand, i didn't see it relevant to toss females in, hence i replied to your post as I did.

Why isn't it relevant? I see, so there isn't any female otakus. I agree though, the industry targets males more so then females.

[xia]

I just wonder how much you have to give up on life to just want to marry an anime character.
Do you not relate to people in the real world at all?