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the makers getting too involved in doing a propaganda for their own extremist political views instead of making an enjoyable series. And random writings that they even forget what they have written before and have to rely on the side story manga to patch up the holes (and I still yet to see anything to patch up the "it's all just an experiment" line from Neo at the start of the series)
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2005-12-28, 23:08 | Link #22 | |
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Destiny didn't live up to other Gundam series or even SEED but it certainly wasn't as bad as most people make it out to be. A failure? Far from it. The series had moments that I wanted and liked to see and I actually watched it. Just about average? Probably. It had faults that I see in a lot of series that I dislike but the things I liked were just about around the number of things that I didn't like. I never expected it to be the greatest Gundam ever or anything of the sort so I was content with how it was even if the pacing and the end irked me a bit. Regardless of my personal opinion, why did Destiny fail isn't a valid question because it didn't. Failed to give you want you wanted to see? Maybe. Generally, it just didn't deliver but that doesn't make it the garbage so many people say it is. Man, I could see people just calling it a dissappointment but failure is taking it too far. |
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Putting a bit of humor on this thread, let me post this pic I've seen on Ridiculous Pictures Thread by red_comet.
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2005-12-29, 04:23 | Link #27 |
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well i thought GSD was good, that was untill Shinn owned Kira..
after that ife had a feeling that something had been missing.. something was different and i still dont get what maybe because everyone got to argue with each other.. Shinn first kills Kira then has to kill Athrun.. o.o; witch he almost does... well in his head he did and after that the fact that Freedom was always unscratched, yes of course untill Shinn owned Kira but then after that Shinn never had a chance, what annoyed me the most is all the recaps and re used animation and the fact that Shinn's brain is the siz of a poo fly.. after all kinds of manipulation and after hearing strange things his mind doesnt go.. 'hey isnt this wrong' specially after scandinavia went boom! |
2005-12-29, 04:32 | Link #29 | |
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or atleased no recaps all the time o.o; and of course with lesser interference of Bandaii |
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2005-12-29, 06:30 | Link #30 | ||
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What caused it to fail?
A writer's crap excuse for writing and the director's inability to correct said crap writing problems... I mean, there was a number of things wrong... for one brining back all of the old cast and giving them the lead role, IMO, was a poor idea... After GS the character development for the old cast was done, there was little to build upon... the only characters they built up was Athrun and Cagalli, but that was after they knocked them down (it's like the forgot a lot of stuff that happened in GS) other huge problems were things such as god-moding, unbelievable battles, the EA getting toss around throughout the entire series never putting up a decent fight... You can tell that there was also pacing problems... the begining of the series seems very smooth and easy going, but by the end of the series it felt like it was just a huge rush to the finish if i had to guess, i'd say that the series was poorly planned out in pre-production... Quote:
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That's why i give G gundam way more credit then i give GSD... G Gundam was a superrobot series and it KNEW it was a super robot series... i may not have liked it that much but it came out EXACTLY as it was presented and supposed to be |
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2005-12-29, 06:34 | Link #31 | |
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Anyway, to answer the "what caused gsd to fail?" question, obviously character balance... there was also this time when things seemed "pointless." Let's take Sting in example. Great example of pointless. |
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2005-12-29, 07:27 | Link #32 |
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Now...GSD fail? Yes. Entirely scrap metal or just trash? Well....It isn't all that bad until it cannot be redeemed, but the plot and the character development, i think, are quite beyond repair.
@kodachrome: That was what I meant. The Extendeds were simply tossed aside once the old characters entered the scene (I won't say who...You all know.) Perhaps the episode plus with Stellar's "ghost" talking to Shinn was an attempt (very feeble, if I may add) to redeem them. Inconsistencies in battles as well, perhaps. It's more like Athrun and Kira use words to defeat their opponents. At least, the extra episode made me feel that that was their tactic: Talk->Distract->Attack at the same time when they are off guard-> heh heh heh...We won!XD Okay, I was joking. They probably didn't intend for that, but it was arranged such that it felt that way. |
2005-12-29, 09:01 | Link #33 |
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Well, Stellar's "ghost" did serve a purpose to Shinn's character development. She told Shinn that he can have a "tomorrow" too that he controls (because Shinn is like all emo over his survivor's guilt and how Rey is a clone so he thinks he doesn't deserve to live for himself) when he thinks he can't, so he... "opens his eyes" (ooh symbolism...) and see's his tomorrow in the destruction of Messiah (and thus Dullindal) and Lunamaria's eyes.
... of course this could just be trying to make sense of something that didn't make sense... ._. |
2005-12-29, 09:29 | Link #34 | |
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I thought it was clear people expected Kira to show up at some point in the sequel even before GSD aired? And no one really complained at the time? It was how Kira's entrance was handled, and overall script problems, that drove GSD down hill. The fact that Kira's entrance coincides with the Shark-jumping doesn't mean he as a character has anything to do with it! Or are you saying if Kira didn't show up at all the Fukuda couple would be able to make a better script? Seriously? When GSD first aired, no one thought introducing Kira was a bad idea. It was when we realised Shinn's character development dropped to zero, and that the Fukuda couple already have trouble handling the characters they got, followed by the meaningless way the Minerva crew become secondary characters, that we know they had bitten off more than they could chew. The is nothing wrong with re-introducing Kira. It was how he was reintroduced that was the problem. Kira as a character is not at fault; a better director would be able to fit him in seamlessly into the existing storyline. It's been done before, and there was no reason why it couldn't be done here except for sheer incompetence. Many shows introduce characters half-way in the series. GSD failed because they weren't good enough, not because a character was inherently evil. (That's the impression i am getting, that the "Evil Kira" ruined everything. Get real, and get over it!)
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2005-12-29, 10:34 | Link #37 | |
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Most named characters in GSD suck, period. But to claim Kira was the main reason the series failed is entirely groundless. You don't have to like him, but accusations should be just and fair.
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2005-12-29, 11:09 | Link #39 |
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Call me whatever you like, but to suggest GSD failed because Kira showed up is clearly illogical to me.
Try this, then; would GSD be a better show if Kira was omitted? Would all the bad things somehow cease to be, even though they are not linked to his re-appearance? And to be honest, my comments were not directed specifically at you, but at the many others who clearly claim it was Kira who single handedly ruined GSD.
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2005-12-29, 11:11 | Link #40 |
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My 2 cents as follows
I rate GSD over G-Gundam, and war in the pocket, now i will say i does have good music, no knocking that, an dmy favorite eps is 32. Moving on to my disection. One thing that Irks me is the Chracter art inconsistency. At differnt angels, the people look different, face and hair wise. My biggest gripe is How the EA were thrown around... i went form being a force to reckon with. to a force to be trampled over. not able to win a single battle. Their faces chracter were tossed to the way sided, adn they just started killin gem off one by one. Neo got lucky, an di was suprised Djibril lasted as long as he did. overall the EA just seemed to be idiots, but that wont stop me from liking them. a lot of episodes just seemed to be wasted, most fo the earth based eps were a waste. so much time was wasted. No character development, plot holes and devices... thats about it unless i can think of anymore. |
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