2012-04-15, 20:14 | Link #21 | |
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Basically, the reason each region keeps producing their content at the old NTSC/PAL framerates is so that it can be easily downscaled to SD for SDTV broadcast and DVD (and kept compatible with the old sets). If it weren't for that, it probably wouldn't matter since the HDTVs and Blu-Ray players are all essentially compatible (barring, I suppose, the odd cheap model that's messed up).
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2012-04-16, 07:30 | Link #22 | |
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2012-04-16, 08:05 | Link #23 |
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The reality is that few titles are selling respectable numbers in Western markets. So the rationale is if you jack up the price by at least six times and lower the sales to a third, you generate far more profit regardless. Aniplex's model is despicable - but the grim reality is that is one of the most viable. Marketing to 300-500 hardcores willing to be excessive in the name of loyalty works. Supposedly this is a swipe against piracy, but really, isn't that just going to ostracize the fanbase more? Hard fact of life is it's hard to afford to live these days and that luxuries are harder to afford.
I'm just hopeful the split of Siren staff leading to the formation of Hanabee won't lead to this happening in Australia, since Eric Cherry has said he values Aniplex's methods and content highly and wants to bring a similar scenario to Australia.
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2012-04-16, 19:48 | Link #24 |
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Hmm... maybe I should put a 'blu-ray only' policy for my purchases this year (barring special exceptions that I have not yet thought of; never say never after all).
I honestly don't know how else to combat this restriction, though I'm afraid its the licensors who would affected most by it, not Kadokawa. Instead of 1 grand of dvd sales per convention that I spend, it would essentially shrink it down to maybe 300 at the most. :shrug:
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So you can't own every anime you like. It makes life harder if you are a collector short on cash, but for everyone else, I think it improve things. It means more money for the anime companies, which means more budget to put out quality anime , or possibly enough budget to take more risks and put out series that aren't guaranteed to be popular (like most of the stuff the mainstream western fanbase likes, hard sci fi, and other niches). Quote:
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2012-04-16, 20:46 | Link #26 | |
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And, at least in North America, fansubs are fading quickly as a method for building demand for most new series in favor of streaming. For the large portion of the audience who only wants to watch the shows and doesn't care about owning them or watching dubs, optical discs are fading fast as a distribution medium. Disc purchases will become ever more concentrated among a small group of collectors and people who will only watch dubs. As the disc market shrinks it becomes inevitable that prices must rise. It's not a matter of enjoying their creations "gratis," either. People like me pay my monthly fee to Crunchy, and people watching on services like Hulu generate advertising revenues. True, these sources of income aren't as lucrative as selling discs, but they are definitely an improvement over a situation where thousands of people were watching their creations and giving back nothing in return. Overall, I see these trends as generally positive. Many more shows are available for legal viewing in R1 than ever before, so the audience as a whole has benefitted greatly. These developments won't please people whose commitment to the hobby is based on building collections of discs, but those people have always represented a small and declining portion of the total audience after fansubs became widely available via torrents. I'd say the biggest losers will be the dub-only audience as they'll have fewer and fewer options available, and the English voice actors who'll have less work as time goes on.
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It is worth noting the anime fandom isn't the only type of fandom experiencing exclusive prices. Plenty of sports and their teams are very costly to be able to see them live now. Pay-per-view oriented fandoms are ealso fairly exclusive and they survive. But it's also worth noting that in those cases, merchandising and marketing play a very big part too. And in the end, if the BDs become unobtainable, is settling for the DVD version that bad in the end? At least you can still watch the show. I can tolerate the picture and sound not being as pristine if it means I can still watch the show.
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2012-04-17, 12:17 | Link #31 | |
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DVD quality is certainly "enough" to enjoy most anime, but if I know that there is a BD version out somewhere, I would feel entitled to get that instead. When I can easily snatch BD-rips of an anime from download websites, why should I buy and watch an inferior DVD? |
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I think people need to think of buying discs not as a way to obtain anime to watch, but rather as a way to support people the making anime they like. |
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2012-04-17, 13:59 | Link #33 |
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I am kind of confused about some of the comments in those articles. IIRC there is no difference between a region A or B release, except for the region coding, if the publisher decides to use it. The only issue that sometime happens is, if European pictures that were mastered or shot in 50Hz, for an US those shows have/had to be remastered, but not the other way around. Having said that the PS3 did had issues in the past with blu-ray playback, but those were really just specific PS3 issues.
If I read correctly it is mainly about imports, unlike with DVDs japan and the US have the same region code which makes it tempting for people to import the less expensive US version. But this view is really short sighted, otakus, their main costumers, will buy the limited edition version domestic release anyway, and in some cases they are likely to get all releases they could use/play. It is only the people who won't buy blurays and watch the shows on tv, who would be tempted to import the less expensive version. |
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The problem with this is that the production companies will NEVER change their business model as long as people keep buying their over priced discs. I really don't know how the tv business works in Japan, but I do know a thing about it in the US and I can say that tv shows here don't implicitly depend on dvd sales to survive. In another words if it can happen here then it can be made to work in Japan. The problem is, unfortunately, is that the business won't change until the Japanese otakus stop throwing their income at BDs. Seriously how do they even afford it?
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2012-04-17, 15:15 | Link #35 | |
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Japanese anime production committees actually buy time from the television networks to show their programs. They may be able to sell some availabilities to advertisers, but often the ads are for ancillary products like OST CDs associated with the anime themselves. Production committees rely almost entirely on sales of DVDs/BDs, the adapted manga and novels, and merchandise to make a profit. Do an "advanced search" for threads with "industry" in them if you're interested.
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2012-04-17, 15:21 | Link #36 | |
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It works in Japan for mainstream products. Anime isn't mainstream. Anime is a niche product for a small group of dedicated fans. The mainstream method doesn't work for a niche product.
In a regular television series, the network buys the show to run so they can make money off of ads. In late night anime, the production committee buys a slot to run their show in so they can show off their product and hope people buy it. They might make some money off of ads if they are lucky, but its no where near what they need to even come close to breaking even. Quote:
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2012-04-17, 15:48 | Link #37 | |
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2012-04-17, 16:00 | Link #38 | |
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Conversely, mainstream programming is paid by the station that airs it. Since the station pays for the show, they hope to recoup their expenses by selling ads at a high price. To get that high price, they have to have decent to high ratings. It's all about who's producing the show to see how ratings matter to anime. Shows like Naruto, Conan, and other mainstream titles depend on these ratings to keep the stations paying for production. Late night anime like Moretsu Pirates and Fate/Zero don't depend on ratings since a production committee paid for the production of that show.
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2012-04-17, 17:25 | Link #40 | |
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Anime telecasts have more in common with the infomercials carried in the overnight slots on American cable networks. In many cases the anime telecast is an infomercial for the adapted material, the DVD/BD releases, and associated merchandise.
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