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View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 2nd A's - Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 25.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 20.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 12.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.56% | |
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2012-07-17, 16:26 | Link #21 | |
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... Really, when I put it like that, Arf and Yuuno did more in that first fight than Nanoha or Fate did. ... How's THAT for ironic?
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2012-07-17, 16:30 | Link #22 | |
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Sorry, but it's been a long, long time since I've watched Nanoha A's. So I want with "A couple of allies" to ensure that I didn't get the participants wrong. Edit: I think you're short-changing Fate's role in this fight and rescue, Nanya01. I'm pretty sure that the center of the fighting (after Nanoha was at Vita's mercy) was Fate vs. Vita. And Nanoha A's (and StrikerS) always left me with the impression that Vita was a tougher opponent than Zafira. Arf and Yuuno were certainly big helps, but I think that Fate's role was truly instrumental.
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2012-07-17, 16:59 | Link #23 | |
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So, the end result matters not, just the one rescue scene she had? Then I see no problem. Yes, the scene has changed since the sudden appearance is less of a surprise, but I see no sign that the initial "rescue" was deleted with it.
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2012-07-17, 17:26 | Link #25 |
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Well, it's certainly possible that the execution of the Fate rescue scene will be better than I fear it will be. I just wish they had chosen something different to change.
For example, I'm fine with Graham being dropped from the movie. I liked Graham (simply for being a morally complex male character in NanohaVerse, really), but realistically speaking, his subplot doesn't add that much to the A's narrative and dropping it entirely does save a lot of time.
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2012-07-17, 18:25 | Link #27 |
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Hmm, she might still save Nanoha... though takes her sweet time about it. One of the thoughts I posted earlier, had to do with the time reference.
In the series, there is a large gap of time between Vita's barrier going up, and Nanoha getting blown into the building (she had more than enough time to leave her house and get to the top of a tall building before being attacked). Fate (and Yuuno's) timely save made sense, given that they were on a ship and rushing back to Earth. Yet, in the movie... Fate sees the barrier, and that's why she intervenes? Raising Heart detected the barrier going up before it hit them. Surely Bardiche would do the same, which would mean Fate should arrive plenty early, before Nanoha gets smacked down. I'd like to know how exactly they addressed that. As for the "well, that HAD to drop some stuff because you can't fit everything into a movie!" criticism defense... that is partially true, but ultimately that is the problem of the writers. If you have to drop or rush plot relevant stuff to fit your time constraint, then perhaps the story really is too big to fit into a movie. Your job as a writer is to make it fit and make it a good story. If you can't do that, then yes, it is a valid criticism to call the movie out on being rushed and cut all to hell. Graham, I can kinda see being cut now (even though I feel it takes away from the story and from Chrono). But if Hayate's story was rushed in order to fit in Fate's dream sequence, then that smacks of a double standard. Hayate's family should have been given more focus as the primary antagonists, especially given the way the antagonists in the first movie were given such extra focus. So, I repeat what I said a few times before: I was right about them including the Fate dream sequence to the detriment of more important elements in the movie. But we all know why they included it, as well as the "meeting again" scene. |
2012-07-17, 18:58 | Link #28 |
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Just because a barrier went up, how is Fate supposed to know they're targeting Nanoha? And the 1st movie turned what was a few weeks in the original, into roughly a few days. Minor details can be revised to make this all work out. No point making assumptions until we have an actual poster who went to watch the movie, explain these events in vivid detail.
Also, is there any explanation to where Fate was prior to the barrier going up? She was on the Asura in the original and was teleported in, but that's clearly not the case in the movie. For all we know, she could have been eating Dinner with Lindy.
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2012-07-17, 19:06 | Link #29 |
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If Fate doesn't realize that a barrier going up means that Nanoha (who is, you know, kind of the only mage in town they know of) is in trouble, then she's an idiot.
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2012-07-17, 19:18 | Link #30 |
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A barrier being put up doesn't have to signify a battle or a mage is in danger. It's to keep the outside from knowing what's going on inside. And damage control.
Was used often in seaosn one and the movie to collect Jewel Seeds.
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2012-07-17, 19:25 | Link #33 | |
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Nanoha gets beaten pretty directly by Vita in the movie from what I've read. This leaves little time for Fate to react and get there before Nanoha is injured.
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2012-07-17, 19:32 | Link #34 |
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If an unknown type of capture barrier goes up in a town where her friend is the only mage, damn straight "Oh shi- Nanoha's in danger, we must save her!" would be the first thing to run through her mind. It's just common sense. I mean, what is she supposed to think when an unknown capture barrier goes up?
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2012-07-17, 19:40 | Link #36 | |
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2012-07-18, 00:50 | Link #37 |
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So, if this movie ends on a two year time skip, instead of a five year one, like in the series, does this mean there's a possibility that the third movie will not be a retelling of StrikerS?
If the move didn't finish on them in their careers, perhaps the third movie will cover that. It would be an incredibly difficult task to turn StrikerS into a movie. There were so many characters in StrikerS that many characters would either have their roles significantly reduced, or be cut entirely. As a result, many plot points would be lost, like the parts with the Forwards, the Numbers, or Agito. StrikerS was already a convoluted story, and trying to whittle it down to a story suitable for a movie format would be overwhelming, to say the least. It would be much easier to make a movie that focuses on the characters established in the last two movie's, and build a plot based on the time we skipped over in the canon. Personally, I think it would be great if we did get this. |
2012-07-18, 02:03 | Link #38 | |
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Fat rushes/goes to save Nanoha (who was attacked by surprise(?)), but in front of her stands Signum, and just like in the TV series, becomes unable to save Nanoha (not sure if this implies "in time, or just saving in general) She also doesn't say "Her friend" but I think something like, the conversation is a little diferent. Instead of Vita - Fate interaction, Signum asks Fate if she (Nanoha) is a family member. Fate says (something like), "We're friends. I wanted to meet her even though we couldn't (bad translation), and then we were finally able to see each other, that is why I must save her!" I also think the poster says something like "This adaptation/version is much cooler!!!!" at the end. Something like that >_>;;; Yeah. My Japanese is *really* rusty X_X;;; |
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2012-07-18, 07:15 | Link #40 |
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So it sounds like Fate can't even get to Nanoha to save her. Hence, there is no delay problem if Signum cockblocks her. No real fulfillment of promise, then. Vita beats down Nanoha, drains her. Signum beats down Fate, drains her. Zafira/Shamal beats down Arf, drains her.
Honestly, it sounds as if taking Yuuno out of the equation made the whole fight go much worse for them, heh. |
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