2017-08-06, 17:24 | Link #21 | |
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And look son, if the NUNs wanted to wipe out Windermere, they wouldn't just provide a tactical MDE. They would have provided a full-blown DE. - Tak
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2017-08-06, 17:33 | Link #22 |
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Yeah, but they plan to massacre entire civilian on the capital along with it and COVER IT UP just like Titan in Zeta Gundam. Also they use illegal weapon, that they themselves banned, makes those branch of NUNS complete hypocrite. Also those ruin are complete disrepair and Windermere has zero intention turn it into weapon until of course bombing. Even Hayate father, special agent also THINKS his boss went too far.
Also DE bomb fallout cause damage to planet dimensional space cause it to be more difficult to travel to space. Its only Windermere have to use ruin to enable them back to use FTL back. |
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NUNs didn't make Windermerians evil. Windermerians are already evil. Quote:
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2017-08-06, 17:40 | Link #25 |
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The Independence War started because Windermere's leadership chose poorly how to manage their economy. Unlike Voldor and Ragna Windermere doesn't have any industrial capacity due their conservative and xenophobic natures.
They thought Fold Quartz would make them an economic and military super power like what Leon Mishima attempted to do invading the Vajra homeworld. Except Gallia 4 and Macross Galaxy happened restricting the harvesting and trade of Fold Quartz. Gramia starting the war was essentially a temper tantrum of not getting his way. His ambition of conquering the galaxy without care for the consequences for his people in the long run just shows his immaturity. The ending of Macross Delta doesn't mean the war ended peacefully. Indeed the rest of the cluster will arm themselves to get back at Windermere. Without Epsilon Foundation Windermere wont have the means to build VFs and ships. This is the difference of Macross Delta to previous shows as either the antagonist race integrated or leave far away that conflict wont happen. |
2017-08-06, 17:42 | Link #26 |
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Windermere basically was a society that wasn't ready to be uplifted. A society that basically haven't developed human rights, still based the economy on serfdom, and politically haven't gone past army diplomacy. They still live in the mindset that war is glorious.
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2017-08-06, 17:56 | Link #27 | |
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2017-08-06, 17:58 | Link #28 |
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Hello do you even saw ep 25 properly, The ruin IS Under capital those massacring entire civilian just because they were right on top the ruin. Hayate father forced to drop bomb too early as bomb is already remotely armed.
Also You cannot generalize entire race just because of action of few leadership. It means you painted Frejya, her supposed fiancée who willing to risk his life and reputation to smuggle out Frejya to allow her dreams become singer come true and honorable Aerial Knight like Keith, Helman and Qasim as evil person. Even Bogue motivation although narrow minded as he is, understandable as bomb kill his entire family. Is it so wrong to win a war WITHOUT resorting Illegal WMD weapon. Sorry to reopen can of worms again. Let get back to discussion on movie. I prefer Delta movie to be sequal although its unlikely given track record of Macross movie. I hope part 2 of the story completely different especially final battle as I prefer it take place in Windermere. Which means Hayate going to pilot New VF like how Alto pilot YF-29 in Frontier movie 2. |
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2017-08-06, 18:12 | Link #30 |
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It was Roid idea. Those farmer has zero clue what inside apple. Even Aerial Knight especially Qasim found it despicable and unethical as he farmer himself. I bet he also wanted to defect to Delta squadron, after he started to realize Roid started to go too far,but due to he having 3 year old son and family on home, he unable to.
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2017-08-06, 18:41 | Link #31 | |
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What are you talking about? What fiancé helped Freyja get offworld? She did that by herself. Honorable Knights? They intentionally and repeatedly opened fire on civilian-populated areas, and then had the gall to stand by while Mirage, Hayate, and Freyja, the enemies who they repeatedly tried to kill, were put in a kangaroo court that declared them to not be soldiers in war. Honorable my ass. And since I'm at it, I'll invoke Godwin's law. You think Germans not in positions of power in the Nazi era were innocent if they chose to be ignorant sheep while their ruling regime was doing all kinds of crimes just barely beneath the surface? Plenty of dissidents knew. And they escaped abroad or got executed for their troubles. Windermerean farmers damn well knew something was going on with their products in enemy territory. |
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2017-08-06, 19:21 | Link #32 | |
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2017-08-07, 07:40 | Link #33 | |
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In the manga or light novel , he help Frejya escape.
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By the way here my wish list on delta movie whether or not its sequal or retelling - Better dogfight. - Messer live.( Although unlikely) - Hayate got his new upgrade VF which most likely YF just like how Alto got his YF-29. - More in-depth on conspirator that order Hayate father bombing on capital and more depth on Windermere just like how Vajra revelation more flesh out and Galaxy conspirator in Frontier movie 2. - Keith got his Draken 3 full weapon pack like VF-27 super pack. - Final battle take place in Windermere. - Secret villain who using both Windermere and NUNS for his own benefit. - Fire bomber appearance? By the way knowing Macross style ending, NUNS genocide on Windermere will NOT HAPPEN. |
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2017-08-07, 09:34 | Link #34 |
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This came out of left field after the announcement of the new series, but hey, this is an opportunity to make Delta better and I hope Messer can get the Mikhail treatment in it.
So do you guys think the movie will be released before the new series or after? if the series is still planned to air in 2018 maybe the movie could come out in the first half of the year and the series in fall. Also, could it be that the new series will probably be more related to Delta than we think? maybe they are making the movie because the series is going to follow whatever changes they may make to the Delta story in the movie. Maybe I'm overthinking things but I think it's weird that they would announce a movie to an already finished series after announcin a completely new series for next year, normally it would be the other way around, I guess time will tell.
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One can easily accuse the Windyboys of the same act, unless for you, thats ok. Although Delta squadron attempted to send overtures on a number of occasions. They were ignored, over and over. Quote:
And you seriously need to get your head out of the whole NUNs vs Windyboys sand. Its not just the NUNs vs Windyboys anymore, its the Windyboys vs NUNs and the entire sector, who may just be too happy whacking the Windyboys with or without NUNs involvement. Without the ruins, the Windy joint is nothing. A primitive society waiting to be slaughtered after it had caused serious discomfort for all parties involved. - Tak
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Never mind that the NUN has a much better understanding of Wind than the other way around. Then the Windyboys attempted to unleash a weapon with galactic reaches and actually succeeded in doing so. What then? - Tak
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2017-08-07, 18:19 | Link #39 | |
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Watch this:https://youtu.be/b379aN45VEE?t=399 It similar to Wind kingdom independence war but NUNS actually went ahead and use WMD the themselves Banned first. |
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