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You guys know what is interesting, is that we don't know very much about Zjentohlauedy or Meltlandi technology. Yet, most Zent or Melt will tell you their guns are bigger and better than their Miclone counterparts.
Take the Quimeliquola Queadluun-Rau powered armor for example. It has been 5 decades since their introduction, yet, these powered armors still retain their basic designs (no doubt updated extensively) and managed to put up a good fight against the VF-25 in a mock shootout. Now thats a piece of equipment that has endured the test of time. Its too bad we rarely get a glimpse of these powerful weapons. There had been technical details for the SDF-I Macross, the Valkyries and Desroids, but its a shame we have so little information on Zent/Melt technologies. - Tak |
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probably because the zentradi/meltradi themselves do not really understand the equipments they have used for thousands of years. they only know how to repair and maintain them, at the time before zentradi/human integration zentradi's were battle harden, efficient fighting race, but had an average IQ of a 5yr old in all other aspects. the only techy stuff we got is what humans have managed to reverse engineer and manufacture themselves. also i reckon they aren't in a rush to push out an insane amount of details to leave room for growth, after all macross has survived until know and i won't be surprised if it'll live until we are all grey or dead.
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Meh, but we will see. Hell, we don't even know anything about the Vajra yet. - Tak (That, and elven ears seem to be a new feature for the Zents/Melts. The original Zents/Melts never ever had elven features!) |
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2008-04-27, 08:47 | Link #26 | |
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Heh heh. Yeah, thats the Monster alright. The original Monster in Macross was deemed too slow, so the UN SPACY decided to create a mobilized version of the Monster in order to deploy them on a rapid basis. It first appeared on the game Digital Mission VF-X 2 for the Playstation. Its pretty much a weapon even the Zents would go 'Holy sh*t'! That beast is equipped with 4 rail guns and 4 missile launchers, and if anyone of you play Warhammer 40K, one certain unit has very similar weapon configuration as the Monster. - Tak |
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Anything that shows up in the OP is fair game - it'd only be considered a spoiler if any discussion of the OP is based on things that haven't aired yet (either from a manga, or game, or what have you). As ReddyRedWolf and Tak pointed out, it's the Monster, and it's an iconic Macross mecha. Moreover, I believe that it's the only mecha to have appeared in both Macross Zero and the other animated works (which means that the basic design has lasted from 2008-2059!).
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2008-04-27, 13:20 | Link #29 | |
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Although it would be impossible for the Zents not to have field medics, since losing an Exedore, a Vrlitwhai or a Boddole would dealt a great blow to an entire Zent fleet. However, judging from the VF-X or Macross VO games, the Zents have shown an aptitude of creating and incorporating new technology into their equipment. Such as the creation of a Zjentohlauedy-exclusive variable fighter. - Tak |
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2008-04-27, 15:50 | Link #31 | |
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Notable Zents like Exedore is possibly far more intelligent than humans, being the primary archivist and pretty much a walking computer. He is seen often trying to collect samples and analyzing the said specimen. Creating new weapons notwithstanding, prior to meeting humans, the Zents had absolutely no need for new weapons and/or technology. The SDF Macross to them was nothing more than a gunboat, which they had many in possession equal in size and power. Even as far as variable vehicles go, it simply just wasn't popular amongst the Zents, who prefer powered armor and battle suits. Episode 4 in Macross F pretty much indicated that some weapons left from hundreds of years ago are still terribly potent, and perhaps even more powerful than their human counterparts. Therefore, what reason is there to create newer guns when old designs can get the job done? - Tak |
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2008-04-27, 16:57 | Link #32 |
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i think they can repair, after all, it is one of the basics of army requirements. Even if you cannot manufacture new weapons, you must be able to keep your weapons functional.
ask any soldier and they will tell you that they have to be able to field strip a standard weapon for cleaning and repairs. or a Tanker and he will show you have to repair the tracks or fix the engine with available spares. i have in no doubt the zentradi will be able to do this for their rifles and armoursuits however, the fleet themselves don't seem to mention anything about "factory" ships, as in having an entire ship to manufacturing new equipments. since they mentioned that all equipments was provided by automated factories, in which they also give a specific mention of when the LAST one stopped production. it is in my opinion that all zentradi ships were able to manufacture it's own supplies of spare parts and simple weapons and equipments to at lease keep all the remaining troops armed with functional weapons. i don't think the zentradi had the capacity to create new weapons or equipments, but i think they will have a high degree of improvisation, in that they will be able to repair weaponry from other parts, this intuitive instinct of being able to improvise weapons and use them efficiently would be idea for a warrior race, but the lack of imagination or culture will prevent them from designing new things.
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2008-04-27, 18:18 | Link #33 |
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Onizuka-GTO the reason why Kamjin in Macross said it was an irony that Humans giving Zentradi culture would mean their destruction is that they did not have the technical skills to maintain or repair their equipment until the Humans taught them how to.
Notice the level of disrepair on Bretai's flagship. It tells you that the Zentradi back then had squat engineering ability. As Klein Klan said their equipment has a satisfaction guaranteed stamp, so it doesn't need a waranty. |
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You will also note that there were approximately 1,000 ~ 2,000 Zent fleets still in the known galaxy, each with 4 million vessels or more mentioned in Macross. According to other materials, after Space War I, UN SPACY encountered some such forces and had a rather difficult time pacifying them since they were introduced with elements of culture or had the capacity to filter out culture (such as the Minmei attack). With this kind of overwhelming numerical superiority, the ability to repair and reconstruct suddenly becomes secondary. That is, regardless of the Zents' knowledge to perform the said tasks in the first place. However, the first wave of Zent spies into Macross (the trio) were shown to have the capacity to maintain their tactical pod. Quote:
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2008-04-27, 18:45 | Link #35 |
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i remenber one scene where the Max plane broke one monitor and for the entire series the monitor is broken and nobody care about repairing it.
Other example is the glaug " The Glaug was customarily used much more frequently in the Zentradi mecha forces but has become somewhat of a rarity in the modern age of Space War One. Roughly 280,000 cycles before the present era, the Supervision Army succeeded in an all-front attack upon the Roiquonmi fully automated weapons factory, thus seriously reducing the Zentradi's supply of Glaug mecha. The rarity of the Glaug remained so since until roughly 3,700 cycles before the present era, a supply of nearly new Glaug units was recovered from an opened weapons storage facility leading to somewhat of a small renaissance for the Glaug. Kamjin Kravshera repeatedly made use of a Glaug during his campaigns in Space War One and possessed a supply of the mecha to replace damaged units. " This is quouted from one of te macross mecha book in a site |
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Even modern naval vessels we have would not store 'spare' glass on board or other important equipment. To get repairs and resupply, you will always have to stop somewhere. For the US navy, in order to replace important equipment, naval vessels most certainly need to stop within the military ports of the US, for it is only there could they get replacements in the required specs. Quote:
Thus this made maintenance all the more important. Notice how Quamzin always came back with that same Gluag, but most definitely repaired? The Zents also had salvage ships to recover damaged units. Then there is Milia. who had that one special suit. Moreover, Milia was shown to be severely hurt after her duel with MAX (DYRL), but she apparently returned to full-health within days. Clearly an indication that they have medical technology. - Tak Last edited by Tak; 2008-04-27 at 23:55. |
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In honor of the Queadluun-Rau finally making it back to Macross television...
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Unfortunately, there are no concrete performance notes for the mecha, but there's plenty that can be drawn through interpretation of what data we have. Compared to the VF-1, the Queadluun-Rau is greatly superior in just about every way except for a lack of long-ranged weapons and having a much larger target profile. Therefore it's not much of a stretch to assume that it can match the VF-1 in every performance envelop (with the possible exception of atmospheric flight). As a development platform, the Queadluun-Rau has seen a great deal of longevity: it served as the basis of the both the YF-21's battloid configuration and its own vector system. Moreover, as we see in Macross Frontier, there's an updated version of the mecha in production; and its employment suggests that it's been given a similar developmental consideration to the brand-new VF-25. Since the external cues and weapons layout are almost identical between the new and vintage models of the Queadluun-Rau, that speaks volumes as to how highly its original concept was viewed by the military. On a personal note, the Queadluun-Rau is my favorite SDF Macross mecha to have never shown up in Battletech (admittedly, there aren't all that many that didn't ), and it's one of my favorite mecha in general. Nothing says "female mecha" better than this particular design (even though it's more or less headless ), and I'm very happy to see it get a new lease in Macross.
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2008-04-30, 12:16 | Link #38 |
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i do like the headless configuration, i mean it's such an obvious target.
Why have all your sensors concentrated in an appendage that can be simply shot or knocked off, when you can just add it low, towards the body where it won't be picked off as easy and be better armoured? Most Zentradi armour reflect that, unless the are wearing the armoured suits. but anyway, its true, a good design is one that stays consistent, like the Valkyrie plane configuration, although they don't need the atmospheric design anymore, since engine power and anti-gravity mass-dampers are available, a flying brick would work just as well if you want vehicle that can be used in space and on a gravity well.
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Although I am a bit unsure on its status within the Zentradi/Meltlandi equipment hierarchy. The Nousjadeul-Ger units were clearly meant to be a match (especially if you take DYRL into account), and the Meltlandi would not pilot anything BUT the Queadluun-Rau. Hundreds were shot down in the original TV series, as well as in DYRL. Aside from Milia, there simply wasn't any notable Meltlandi aces until Chlore was introduced in Macross 7 (who, like Milia, doesn't seem to age). Milia was simply too good of a pilot, and managed to make the Queadluun-Rau to shine even brighter. The only male to ever have the honor of piloting the Queadluun-Rau was Max. Kudos to him, that lucky bastard. On a Side Note I am glad the Queadluun-Rau did not make it into BTech. Then again, if it did, BTech would have to come up with a rather lengthy description. It looked uniquely Alien in Macross, and would definitely look out-of-place within the BTech universe. Another unit that had the fortune of being left out from the BTECH universe was the 'MONSTER' Desroid. Imagine if the MONSTER made it into BTECH, which ever faction to receive them would immediately become the most popular. Four rail guns are just too difficult to resist... - Tak |
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you know, i never really understood the practice of this so called "unseen" i know they had to drop destroids designs due to being sued, but they did still used some of them due to this "unseen" practice.
can anyone explain to me, how come this manage to get around the lawsuit?
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