2020-10-05, 12:17 | Link #21 | |
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In any case, I think Nana is just following orders. If the kids are considered enemies of humanity, chances are the government or some other organization deemed it so, and Nana is just an agent sent to do the deed. If that's the case, I doubt Nana is allowed to decide who lives and dies. I bet her orders are simply to kill everyone.
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2020-10-05, 12:28 | Link #22 | |
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Yes and such wars cannot be justified either, don't you think?
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It doesn't help Nana's way of killing, ie taking adventages of her victims trust and emotional scars makes it even more deplorable. Just throwing nuke on island would be much easier to forgive and move on.
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2020-10-05, 12:36 | Link #23 |
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So did Nanao actually die? If he survived, then what becomes of Nana?
As for the idea of guiding Nanao to do good in the future, we can play a scenario exercise. If you're able to go back to the past to Hitler's childhood, do you think you'll be able to guide Hitler on a path where he doesn't commit genocide in the future? And that is the million dollar question, which is probably what the author saw somewhere and used it here.
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2020-10-05, 12:44 | Link #25 | |
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2020-10-05, 13:01 | Link #27 | |
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Thing is you still can emphathise with someone responsible for hundred of deads if it was done by pushing button, but much less if said someone actually did it personaly in cruel and brutal fashion. Even normal Joe can do former if there is right rationale, but you have to be special kind of bastard to do later. Nana's method are hard to symphatise with, much less root for.
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2020-10-05, 13:05 | Link #28 |
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The point is, for the story to work, Nana's action and motivation have to be plausible, but they don't need to be morally correct. They don't even have to make logical sense since most of the time human actions (individual or collective) don't make a lot of sense either.
You may see Nana as a villain protagonist (like Light from Death Note) if you will, though I think we don't know enough of what's going on to make that conclusions yet. In any case, let's just wait and see. At the very least I think we need to learn exactly why the kids are considering enemies of humanity, and who (if anyone) sent Nana there.
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2020-10-05, 13:08 | Link #29 | |
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There's never a morally good time to kill a future mass murderer, and the practically best time is when they're still weak and unknown. |
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2020-10-05, 13:09 | Link #30 | |
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Yes, when he started to spread ant-jew propaganda sound like pretty good time to me. It's less about when he deserve death and more when it's obvious effort to change him for better failed.
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Well, I don't think I disagree with anything you just said.
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2020-10-05, 13:27 | Link #31 | |
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That's not to say he couldn't have been reasoned with, but I don't necessarily buy that he would have remained useless without Nana forever either. |
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2020-10-05, 14:07 | Link #32 | |
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Premise reminds me a bit of The Boys on Amazon but Nana's way more of a villain than an antihero right now. Probably would have played better if her speech to Nanao was a soliloquy instead. Although I guess it might be going for more of a Happy Sugar Life vibe, its hard to tell. |
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2020-10-05, 20:13 | Link #33 |
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I don't think we're really supposed to "empathize" with Nana, at least not yet. We don't really know what this's all about. It could be this's the only solution, or that she believes it is, or possibly not. Either way, I think what's really going to make a difference isn't "pushing a button" versus "personal killing", as frankly one could argue a lot about which one is more moral or easier to empathize with. Rather, it's how well we are able to empathize with her motives and either how much regret/conflict she shows or how much confirmation she gets that these people are indeed monsters.
Personally, I find killing in person to be a bit more moral, as you have to actually see the person, feel the weight of their existence as you push them or sink your weapon into them. A person who's just pushing a button doesn't see his victims and doesn't really recognize the fact that they're really there, really alive. A person who pushes another person, or cuts them with a sword, feels the life he/she's taking and has to live with it. I've actually seen such concepts once or twice in anime when discussing guns vs. swords: with a gun you're a good distance away and kind of approach "the push of a button", but with a sword you feel the weight of their bones and the warmth of their blood, and have no choice but to recognize that you've taken a life. |
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I just wish they hadn't told us who the culprit was and made it a mystery instead.
For the viewers this is basically having shown us the last page of a mystery novel first and now see how dumb the characters are for not catching on.
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2020-10-05, 21:30 | Link #36 |
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I agree fully, though I also understand Kazu's point. I love stories where there's a hidden killer or mole among a group of "friends", it's always a great read. But at the same time, there's definitely potential for some interesting material following an actual killer who's trying to figure out how to kill an entire class full of people, many of whom are definitively far stronger than her and could easily be rid of her if they start to suspect her. Keeping people from turning on her long enough will certainly be an interesting form of suspense.
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2020-10-05, 22:14 | Link #37 |
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ok to be fair without again goes spoiler to help peoples understand what to get here, this serie is a sort of "reverse mystery" instead of you "find out who is the culprit" we are on the "culprit" vision, it's about "make the perfect crime" she have to kill all of then without get caught then she must make every death looks like its a "enemies of mankind" or other person fault never have any clues leading to her, then we are going from her point of view,
a good exemple here would ge the game "among us" she is the "fake" and must kill peoples without giving any traces about her being the murder, if you played this game then you will understand how this anime will work.
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2020-10-06, 01:20 | Link #40 | |
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the survives never can "catch or even suspect of you, while you go killing each one, or at last the most dangerous ones.
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