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The only one that changes her magic circle color is Reinforce I, but she is technically a device, so she could change her frequency of mana as she pleases. |
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2007-05-06, 02:34 | Link #22 | ||
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But I do admit, I'm making assumptions and technobabble a plenty even while trying to be as plausible and canonically accurate as possible. It's a twisted form of fanfiction for my own fun. :P Quote:
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2007-05-06, 02:38 | Link #23 |
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Apologies, I didn't realize I was last post on the page and thought nobody else had posted yet. I edited that sucker about 20 times, specifically added a section on BJ in AMF.
I agree that it's great fun to speculate about, which is why I jumped in on that whole 'BJ as reactive armor' thing, but at the same time I get annoyed sometimes talking about magical energy like it's just another wavelength of EM. Haha actually your whole 'multiple lightspeeds energy-to-matter' thing got me dragging out my old physics textbooks and 'fabric of the cosmos' trying to figure out the rules for changes in constants.
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2007-05-06, 02:55 | Link #24 | |
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As for the part where you say the BJ is able to harden when necessary... Hmm... I kinda doubt it, though it is possible. I think the drone grabbed Erio just to throw him out of the train, not to crush him. We need more battle data from future episodes to confirm these theories. |
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2007-05-06, 03:03 | Link #25 |
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Materials don't have to be all that 'smart' to reduce elasticity when subjected to large force- we already have a few in testing IIRC. I'm sure barrier jackets have the capability.
For one thing it'd explain how Fate survived getting hammered through all that reinforced concrete by Signum.
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2007-05-06, 03:11 | Link #26 | ||
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I see what you mean about the BJs. It's perfectly valid too, after Caro threw that boost into the works. Cool, 2 ways to look at it. Quote:
Yeah definitely that. I made a rather tongue in cheek comment of how her BJ also kept her skin smooth from whipping and crashing through concrete, and that's from a setup that favors speed over defence... Whatever hurt Nanoha must've been of a really big force...
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2007-05-06, 03:19 | Link #28 |
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With regards to Anti Magic Field (AMF)
Declarations the following assumption: Magical energy is or at least has some properties which are similar to energy that exists in the physical world, and dual properties holds true. Now we have a look at the available theories Magic and AMF as waveforms This is the model which I purposed, which considers magical energy as a sine wave, A*sin(wt + ∅), ∅ = 0. As well as the possible conversion from wave to particle, thus resulting “physical damage” as opposed to pure magical damage. With that as bases, AMF’s region of operation at 100% efficiency will be B*sin(wt - 180), A = B. When the two waveforms superposition on each other, gives the resultant waveform r(t) = 0. Effectively cancels out the magic energy. Now we bring that to a real world system, since there is energy loss at the rate of 1/(d^2), then the field which is modeled by a sine wave can be modeled as a B*sinx/x^2 function. As it is demonstrated when you move away from the centre of AMF there is an exponential decay in the effectiveness of AMF. The decoy layer which nullify the AMF can be considered in mathematics as (A*sin(wt)+ C*sin(wt)) + B*sin(wt - 180), The AMF burns away the decoy layer and leaves the Magical bullet untouched. With regards to AMF nullified by another magical enchantment, it can be explained as the “enchanter field invalid” works by varying the phase ∅ of the user’s magical energy. For example at ∅ = 90. We get a waveform that has ~ equal energy with the original wave under AMF, when we superposition them. So far I have not yet been able to find why linker core is unaffected unless the condensed energy in the linker cores is far greater then AMF is able to effect, approximated it to 0. ------------------------ Now, the point brought up by Erio is most interesing I'm write it up when I thinked it through. Frequency associated with colour due to each user is petty much established, so maybe its time for Kha to summarise it too |
2007-05-06, 03:26 | Link #29 | |
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I didn't understand any of the math. Did anyone else get it? Okay but using whatever I learned of wave superposition, I take it that you mean EFI invalidates the AMF by introducing a wave in complete anti-phase of the AMF disruption field, creating a net resultant of 0 displacement in some aspect of mana that fluctuates? Either way I'm sooooo gonna hand this discussion to Chario for her to build that M-jammer Canceller. Neat stuff this is. Let's hope Strike Friedich, Infinite Strada and Subaigar pack this in their endgame.
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and don't blame me on the math, I used the most basic ones to show my point. since the real life systems is much better modeled via sinc function |
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2007-05-06, 03:33 | Link #31 |
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But what if AMF doesn’t dispel all magic, but simply the refined energy? That would explain why Linker Cores are unaffected.
Magic exists in two forms, the raw energy, or mana, and the refined energy that makes up a barrier, magic blast, or empowered weapon. What an AMF does in not make this energy disappear, but rather ‘unweaves’ the elements that held the spell together, reducing the spell to the energy it came from. Just like vibrations can shatter a rock, reducing it to nothing more then sand and dust, and AMF would ‘vibrate’ the spell apart. Since Linker Cores are the energy they would be reduced to, they would naturally remain unaffected. This would also explain how a shielded magical blast can get through an AMF, since the AMF has to unweave two spells instead of one, the blast can get through before the shield is fully destroyed. As to barrier jackets, since they are either solidified magic or empowered Nano-machines (depending on your point of view) they are like reinforced concrete. Normal concrete will collapse far easier then reinforced concrete. The amount of power needed to 'unweave' a barrier jacket or Intelligent Device would far exceed that necissary to unweave an offensive spell. |
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Scribbled on post-it stuck to above documents: Due to differing hypothesis of AMF operation, TSAB has yet to come up with a proper countermeasure. More research is required. Lt. Kha Alexei T. Head Medic, Bio-Sorcerology HMSS Silvana For TSAB FutureTech Laboratories
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For my example, try imagining a spell as ice, and a Linker Core as water. You can melt the ice, turning it into water, but you can't melt water into water, because it already is water. Quote:
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Now the noise I'm considering is white noise which will muck the decision region of an which samples with a Gausian random noise process. If you are going to cite people use Harvard style only in a medical context use Vancouver style is standard |
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Just note that with noise the spell cast is still there but it is removed from the equation due to the changes that the original spell undergo. |
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2007-05-06, 06:09 | Link #39 | |
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2007-05-06, 06:10 | Link #40 |
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It also variantly in a sense, should depend on the particular output of the released magical energy in the form of waves, because if that is similarly in the case, shouldn't differing frequencies allow the AMF to be bypassed in the form of shifting waves in it's own variants with the sound flux and stimulus response on how the AMF detects the release of magical energy?
Eek. It's so hard to try and remember those physics stuff they teach in university/school, especially when I haet them so much. You know, talking about Linker Cores, it makes one wonder on the particular singularity and frequency of mages, possibly even hereditary traits passed on from their magical circuits that run in the blood. Fate's magical talent from Precia alongside the masterful capability of elemental thunder conversion is one example, but what perplexes me for one is Yuuno's apparently unique construction where in a state where he clearly didn't use any magic at all, he self-transformed into a ferret not of his own will, which means that there's a possibility that his Linker Core magical construction bypasses any magical use of energy when using shapeshifting, and allows him to shapeshift without the use of any magical energy, unlike the Lieze twins which obviously needed the use of magic constantly that broke off upon magical binding.
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