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2019-08-20, 18:36 | Link #23 |
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The First Amendment only prevents censorship from the government. Private organizations, including social and mass media, can (and did) censor stuff all the time, which is completely legal unless you can prove that the government is behind such censorship.
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As for Hong Kong, the Washington Post published this story on how high-level members of the government in Beijing benefit from Hong Kong's financial structures and reliance on an independent judiciary. https://beta.washingtonpost.com/poli...ake-hong-kong/ Quote:
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2019-08-21, 20:47 | Link #25 | |
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2019-08-22, 07:59 | Link #26 |
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Of course the PRC has agents among the demonstrators. It would be foolish to think otherwise. The question is whether they have "agents provocateurs" using or encouraging violence like we saw at the airport. It's also an open question whether those thugs that beat up demonstrators at the railway station were acting on behalf of the HK government or the PRC.
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2019-08-23, 08:33 | Link #27 | |
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I had to post this because this has got my blood boiling like hell and it happens in my home country.
Daphne Bramham: Even in Canada, Hong Kong supporters fear retaliation (Vancouver Sun) One bit that caught my attention: Quote:
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2019-08-23, 09:47 | Link #28 | |
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2019-08-23, 15:53 | Link #29 | |
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2019-08-23, 16:20 | Link #30 | |
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And I'm amusing myself at how delusional people can get when their view is coloured by radicalism. Cracks everywhere in Mainland China? Somebody apparently understands nothing. The Hong Kong protesters can't even get a majority of Mainlanders living in Hong Kong onto their side. The more radical they get, the less chance they have of getting Mainlanders understanding. They are currently in the nationalist phase of nation building. Democracy, human rights etc are insignificant in Mainland China after the Communist Party delivered unprecedented growth in prosperity over the last 40 years. The CCP is in a far more stable situation than the CPSU in 1989.
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2019-08-23, 16:23 | Link #31 | |
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1/ Spies need a lot of training. You can't force random people to become your spies. 2/ Spies are not supposed to attract attention. You can't participate in demonstrations while being a spy. Seriously, I believe that many people in the west are living in a bubble. They just can't comprehend the idea that the Chinese people actually support their "dictatorship" government, and come to the conclusion that those people are either brainwashed or forced to do so.
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2019-08-23, 16:54 | Link #32 |
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That's only if your idea of a spy is the one that sneaks into highly secured buildings. The main purpose of spies is to gather information. There is no reason why random people can't provide an official with political views, moods for/against the government, potential candidates for further recruitment and so on.
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Hong Kong solidarity rally in Vilnius met with Chinese counter-protesters I hope you're aware that if you're an American waving American flags and shouting USA slogans in countries that have an opposite political ideology, you would be jailed. As for those Chinese students or deluded Chinese middle-aged men going with them, they are the ones bringing a bad name on their community. If they are identifiable and identified while they make trouble, just dump them out. If you have any ideas, then why don't you just share them with the rest of the audience here? Quote:
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I don't know if you're screwing with us because you're Chinese or just someone who doesn't believe in empowering the people. Either way, you are no different from deluded Trump supporters or idiots in Italy who are allowing inhumane laws to be passed against human tragedy. We're done here since you're not enclined in putting basic human rights above anything else. Last edited by Toukairin; 2019-08-23 at 18:22. |
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2019-08-23, 21:12 | Link #35 | |
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It's funny how someone who is so anti-Trump is literally advocating the same paroles he does. Your vision is nothing else than an isolationist state where everyone who doesn't share your views gets deported. Using human rights like a buzz word doesn't work if you're not willing to do it both ways.
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2019-08-23, 21:47 | Link #36 | |
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There have been clashes between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups in the past, but those never went to the point that threat of bodily harm would ever exist. If recent events don't tell you that some people should lose their right to stay in the countries they are in, then I don't know what to say anymore. Those people are everything but exemplary immigrants to integrate to any society. Also you have not answered my previous question. What is your solution to the problem, especially when pro-Beijing supporters have done nothing but disrespect and attack people who don't like what their country is doing? If an American was waving US flags and shouting at local Chinese only half of the crap Chinese immigrants have shouted at pro-Hong Kong people, that person would be jailed. Last edited by Toukairin; 2019-08-23 at 22:10. |
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All the things you list are hardly new to demonstrations. If you are consequent in your argumentation then everyone who causes trouble at any rally whatsoever should be ejected from the country. Of course then you run into the problem that not everyone is an immigrant but that long since stopped mattering to you. And why stop there? Anyone who has a differing political opinion can swiftly follow. The list goes on and on. There are thousands of reasons why someone can disagree with someone else's views and you'd throw them all out.
Furthermore if I had a magical solution to the situation then much smarter people would have long found it before. Alas such a thing does not exist. I do not have to come up with a better solution to see that your idea is only trying to pile a worse problem onto the existing one. If you cannot see the spiral this leads to then that only adds to your hypocrisy. |
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2019-08-24, 17:47 | Link #39 |
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I think you are all spending more time attacking each other than discussing the actual problem, so at least that needs to stop. I realize this is an issue people feel passionate about, but please stay focused on the issues and not on attacking people in this thread.
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2019-08-24, 20:51 | Link #40 |
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Reporting in to mention that the PTU is deployed on protestors again with the usual
Tear gas and batons. Some MTR stations were closed due to public security reasons, but analysts reported that Chinese media criticized the company for allowing the trains to be used by protestors to go home.
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