2018-02-24, 12:21 | Link #22 |
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Eh, for me, both extremes are bad. Those who worship Black Panther movie for political reasons and accuse anyone who criticize the movie as racists are just as bad as the alt-right people who dismiss this movie due to actual racist reasons.
And yes, I've seen the Black Panther movie. I've just got back from watching it in my local cinema and my opinion is......I like it, but I don't love it. I like the Shakespearean story which is up there with the first Thor movie (yes, I like the first Thor movie). I like the setting. Some of the characters are cool and I like how the Wakandans talk Africans and English which is a fresh air from what we usually get. Acting are great all around and the movie is just as entertaining as Harry Potter flicks. But, the movie lost some good points from me due to some lackluster practical fight-choreography, some poor CGI for 2018 standard especially for the climactic double-panther fight (it looks straight from Raimi's Spiderman movies more than a decade ago), plot holes, questionable character decisions and writing issues. This video more or less explains most of the technical problems of Black Panther (fair warning: Spoilers abound. The video is easier to understand if you already watched the movie): I may not entirely agree with all of his criticism above, but he brings out some good problematic points which partly also originated from the comic source material.
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2018-02-25, 21:53 | Link #23 |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Monterrey, México
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Just a piece of curiosity, is there any relation between the Black Panther comic (and film) with the real life Black Panther Party?
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2018-02-25, 22:23 | Link #24 | |
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The film itself alluded to the Party by setting the Killmonger origin story in Oakland (the city where the Black Panther Party was active back then) where N'Jobu was operating in a Black Panter Party-ish activities.
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2018-02-26, 00:07 | Link #25 | |
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However, Black Panther's first appearance was in Fantastic 4 in July 1966. So, the character itself predates the party for about 3 months. |
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2018-02-26, 00:38 | Link #26 | |
I disagree with you all.
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I can't help but be bothered by the fact that Wakanda, dreamland though it is, can't get away from that tribal thing. And ritual combat. Do decide the leader of the whole nation. |
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2018-02-26, 01:05 | Link #27 | |
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It is rather baffling for an advanced civilization to keep using such method to choose their leaders. They were more than lucky that this is the first time a crazy person like Killmonger claimed the throne after so long.
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2018-02-26, 01:17 | Link #28 |
I disagree with you all.
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I'm bothered not just because it's baffling, but because of the "they're black. No matter how otherwise advanced, of course they're going to behave like stone age barbarians" aspect. Though I suppose the medieval Asgardians aren't much better. I guess when it comes to wish fulfillment power fantasies, nobody wants a bureaucracy ruled by laws and civil discourse.
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2018-02-26, 01:31 | Link #29 | |
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2018-02-26, 02:04 | Link #30 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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Being traditionalist does not equate to being barbarians. It's obviously a very culturally central and important thing for Wakandans no matter what the outside world thinks. Who are we to judge? It's precisely that mindset from the rest of the world that made them decide to isolate themselves in the first place.
And the Vibranium of course.
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2018-02-26, 02:26 | Link #31 | |
I disagree with you all.
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I mean, imagine a really advanced White Guy civilization. Sure, you may end up with a medieval setting In Space, but you've also have a decent chance of getting some kind of democracy In Space, with politics based on the rule of law instead of fighting duels with primitive weapons. But Stan Lee and Jack Kirby imagined a really advanced African civilization, and they ended up with stone age barbarians but with, you know, metal spears. That's my problem right there. |
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2018-02-26, 02:41 | Link #32 | |
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2018-02-26, 03:32 | Link #33 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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Take note that Wakandans have an "us against them" mentality, always cautious under the assumption that the outside world is coming to take their Vibranium and technology away. Hence for them they always had to be suspicious of "the white man", and thus put a lot of (and obviously too much of) importance on combat strength.
This is why the movie works so well with Killmonger as its villain, taking to himself allies within the more discontent Wakandans those who wish to be more warlike. T'Challa himself realized that Wakanda did this to itself: by prioritizing strength and suspicion and even alienating its own children who had strayed from that established path, it just set itself up for civil war. A warlike mentality begets war, and if you can't find it outside, you'll have it within.
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2018-02-26, 04:33 | Link #34 | |
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I understand Wakandan's inclusivity problem and how T'Challa came with the (somewhat) solution at the end of the movie. I'm just wondering how such primitive "election"-method works well for Wakanda for hundreds of years without major glitches that resulted in civil wars. Moreover, as the video above describes, the concept of Wakanda itself already has many holes.
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2018-03-03, 08:25 | Link #36 | |
Waiting for more taiyuki!
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There was another movement with the black panther logo that predates the Black Panther character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studen...m_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(comics)
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2018-03-03, 19:13 | Link #37 | |
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And of course there are civil wars. Wakanda fight each other all the time. It's just that we are seeing a relative period of peace with two generations of a popular dynasty. The film never denied that the tribes can act out of line.
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2018-03-04, 11:09 | Link #38 | ||
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At least wth Monarchy, you know who’ll lead your country in the future and you can mold the heirs into good, capable and compassionate people when they’re still little. And they will be leaders unless something really really unexpected happen. With democracy, at least all the people will have a say in electing their leaders. Here in Wakanda? It’s almost random. For example, a future king can be legally overthrown by a brute who is very good in martial arts but nobody like him other than his own tribe and he doesn’t like anybody other than his tribesmen. What if the brute doesn’t give a shit in diplomacy and screw Wakanda for his tribe's gain? Have you seen the movie? This almost happen in the movie with M’Baku & J’Bari but alas, T’Challa has plot armor and M’Baku turned out to be more decent than the first impression that he gave to the audience. It all works because the plot conveniently favors T'Challa's party. Imagine if a few of those convenient factors went wrong. The movie never ever mentioned or implied civil wars after Wakanda is founded by forming an alliance between the tribes. What the movie shown is that the tribes were at constant wars with each other until their God(dess?) chose one of them as Black Panther and united the five tribes to form the Wakanda that we know. After that, the movie heavily implied that the Wakandans live in relative peace until the event of the movie, which is too convenient in my book.
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2018-03-04, 13:27 | Link #39 |
A blast from the past
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Loved the movie. So did the family, even if some of the CGI could be improved (and the villains could have had better treatment in some areas, even if they’re stellar). All in all, a very worthwhile moviegoing experience, IMHO.
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