2014-04-20, 22:58 | Link #21 | |
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These are all done through directly interfering with the structure of an eidos |
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2014-04-21, 03:29 | Link #22 | |
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He sees the information bodies, activation sequences, magic sequences etc via Elemental Sight which is a type of sensory-type magic probably the highest level of that type of magic. With ES he can identify and target edios independently in Information Dimensions. And since everything except psions has a corespondent information body in ID he can pretty much target anything and everything then decompose it |
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2014-04-21, 08:25 | Link #23 | |
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You don't need ES to use decomposition. It just greatly helps him. |
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2014-04-21, 08:41 | Link #24 | ||
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Other questions, among all the researches subjects known, what is the one you find the most interesting ? If you had the choice, which clan would you choose ? |
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2014-04-21, 09:02 | Link #25 | |
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The only mentioned difference is tat they produce magic sequences with no activation sequence, much like Tatsuya's flash cast. Tatsuya explains in v11 its likely their power comes from a human mind. There's not much difference. The teloportation magic was something that magician could used before the parasite hijacked his body. |
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2014-04-21, 16:12 | Link #26 | ||
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2014-04-21, 16:54 | Link #27 | |
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2014-04-21, 17:24 | Link #28 | ||
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Normal magicians can identify the eidos as a whole. As an example in a class room the normal magician can identify the eidos in the room but they can't tell which eidos belongs to the chair and which eidos belongs to the dashboard or to the computer.This is where tatsuya ES comes in it gives him the ability to differentiate and identify every eidos individually meaning he can tell which eidos belongs to the chair, the computer etc. And that's why he needs ES for decomposition in order to individually target the eidos he wants to decompose otherwise he will just decompose everything. |
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2014-04-22, 00:21 | Link #29 | |
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I've also already pointed out that when Tatsuya was explaining his decomposition in V2, he only specifically mentioned his special sensory ability was required for disassembling magic and activation sequences. There is nowhere in the novel that indicates a person must have elemental sight to be able to use decomposition magic on objects. Last edited by Guest2; 2014-04-22 at 02:11. |
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2014-04-22, 01:40 | Link #30 | ||
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The word "as a whole" might be a little off for the description i was trying to say. I`ll try another explanation, a normal magicians can identify the eidos of a car for example as a car. tatsuyas ES can identify every piece in that car individually. You are right if he wants to decompose the whole car is one thing but if he wants to decompose only a precise part of the car then he needs the ES to identify that very specific edios for decomposition. His elemental sight is not something he can turn off and on like a switch. His ES is always working to some degree that's why it is said he always has an "eye" on miyuki because his ES always tracks miuyki's edios and the eidos around her. To say he doesn`t need ES for decomposition, we don't know because since ES is active in some form all the time we haven`t seen him use decomposition without it. Also ES can be expanded to the point of entering link space by using his conscious mind but that form of ES he doesn`t use for combat seems more like an information gathering tool Quote:
Man in know what you are saying, you compare FC to Pyschic Power because the parasites use magic without using activation sequences. The FC does use activation sequences but instead of taking them from the cad that takes time to assemble them the FC uses the activation sequence that is already constructed and stored in the magicians brain. Even so the FC and Pyschic Power are still very similar. Last edited by SoboSobo; 2014-04-22 at 01:54. |
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The novel only mentioned V2 about his special sensory ability being related to his ability to use decomposition magic on activation sequences, and not to decomposing objects. Quote:
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2014-04-22, 02:15 | Link #32 | |
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It's essentially the excuse for why he can still track an Eidos that left his field of vision. |
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2014-04-22, 02:40 | Link #33 | |
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Lets say a human eidos is like a dna molecule. Any magician can identify and see that Dna molecule, but to a normal magician it will look as a double helix molecule no matter to which human the edios belongs to. Exmaple a normal magician if he will look at miyuki, erika, mayumi, leo, mizuki,mikihiko eidos he will see a dna molecule but wont be able to tell which edios belongs to which person. Now in case of tatsuya his sensory ability allows him to see past the double helix molecule and see right down into its structure seeing all the information contained in that molecule and that's why he can tell which eidos belongs to which person and that's why he can track a specific edios because he can differentiate the edios he wants to track from the rest. This sensory ability that allows him to see past the eidos and directly into the eidos structural information its what Elemental Sight is. Am I wrong? |
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Eleemental Sightis a sensory magic. So he uses his senses.
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2014-04-22, 03:35 | Link #35 | |
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ALL magicians can target the eidos but hey need some sort of visual confirmation.I mean mayumi for example her targeting is precise as we seen in 9sc arc but she won't be able to target lets say a target that he/she has hidden behind an obstacle and the target eidos has been mixed up with a lot more edioses because all through she can identify the eidos around her but can`t tell which eidos is which, she needs visual confirmation to precisely see which eidos is which. Now in case of tatsuya's ES even through he uses his visual sense to gather information about the edios around him he doesn`t need visual confirmation of which edios belongs to. using visual confirmation just makes things more easy for him. i hope you guys can understand , it made a lot more sense in my head lol Also is also stated in the novel that tatsuya is not the only magician who can independently identify information bodies. It was said that only a small percent of the magicians have the sensory ability to further distinguish an information body from another. With tatsuyas ES being the most powerful sensory type ability we have seen so far, could be other magician with even better sensory abilities then him or ES could be the best it can be, we don`t know that without more information. |
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2014-04-22, 03:46 | Link #36 | |
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A normal Magician sees the Eidos and uses his/her normal senses to help distinguish which Eidos belongs to which object. That means if you escape the Magician's normal senses, that Magician has problems tracking your Eidos. Example: In the Hattori duel, Tatsuya vanishing from Hattori's line of sight made it impossible for Hattori to complete his spell to affect Tatsuya's Eidos, because Hattori couldn't use his senses to confirm where Tatsuya was. Tatsuya's sensory abilities, on the other hand, are strong enough that in the same area as a normal Magician, he doesn't need his normal senses to reinforce what each Eidos belongs to. That means in order to affect Tatsuya's senses, you have to be able to manipulate the information from the information dimension instead. Yakumo blatantly hints at this in Volume 3 when Haruka pays them a visit. So if Tatsuya was the one in the duel being affected by that situation, not being able to see Hattori wouldn't be an issue, because he can still sense where he is via the Information Dimension. Witness Tatsuya's reaction to Haruka trying to sneak up on him, Miyuki and Yakumo. Despite the fact that Haruka's a BS Magician who clearly specializes in Stealth magic, Tatsuya's sensory abilities still picked her up easily -- he was only unable to identify who he noticed, which is most likely due to the Stealth magic in effect. So essentially, in the normal sensory range of a Magician, Tatsuya doesn't need to use his senses. Outside the sensory range of a standard Magician, Tatsuya can still track an Eidos, but he needs something to assist him with identifying it, just like a normal Magician would for something that would be in a normal range for them. This is a big part of what makes his Elemental Sight a superpower, because it gives him the theoretical unlimited range that normal Magicians can't have. The other major part that Elemental sight covers is that it lets him see and process the details of Activation and Magic Sequences. That's what lets him decompose specific parts of Evil Eye to make it harmless. But Activation Sequences and Magic Sequences ARE NOT EIDOS. That's what you're mixing up. You're applying a "Well he can do X because of this, so it should be the cause of Y also" kind of leap of faith conclusion with no actual evidence to back it up. That is why your conclusion on what it is and how it works sounds more like Fanfiction than what's been detailed so far. |
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2014-04-22, 07:18 | Link #38 | |
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Mayumi and Tatsuya are the best snipers, but Mayumi is better than him in this category. |
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2014-04-22, 09:44 | Link #39 | |
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In a nutshell, magic in the series technically has infinite range, but because Magicians are human, human perception causes things that are "too far away" to be sensed to also be "too far away" to use magic on. There are a couple of things that can bypass this perception issue, and Tatsuya's Elemental Sight is one of them. His Elemental Sight is also what enables him to analyze "Modern Magic" as it's being used, which opens up counterspell options for him that Magicians normally don't have access to (because the magic's information coming out too quickly in too large of a volume to analyze for most Magicians). Is that better? |
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