Gundam Reconguista in G - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll

[Zantetsuken]

Originally Posted by RES-01 Perses Gundam

Well, the way you put it is as if all Spacenoids need to be made responsible for the genocides. In that respect, the Earthnoids are not innocent too.

If you noticed I only wrote the genocidal ones. At least from what I remember which may be wrong. But Haman definitely did colony drop, Char nearly did, Iron Mask wants to use his bugs on earth, Jupiter Empire nearly nuked earth into kingdom come.

[Rising Dragon]

It's not that they're saying the Earthnoids are innocent, just that the Spacenoids don't have cleaner hands. They're just as responsible for genocidal tragedies as the Earthnoids are.

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It's not that they're saying the Earthnoids are innocent, just that the Spacenoids don't have cleaner hands. They're just as responsible for genocidal tragedies as the Earthnoids are.

^^^This^^^

Especially the upper brass of the EF

They played an extremely corrupt role in everything from the very start (Laplace and the original UC Charter)

For example tons of earthnoids died from the colony/asteroid drops while they evacuated their fat asses first without giving evacuation orders/warning to the lower branches and general populace

Another example would be the Titans and their mass murders of spacenoids using chemical weapons on helpless colonies etc.

[Ryuuoh DeltaPlus]

With all that in consideration, no wonder all these taboos are present in the Reguild Century, in order not to repeat these tragedies again...

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Skye629

They played an extremely corrupt role in everything from the very start (Laplace and the original UC Charter)

You mean the same constitution that called for a bunch of hypothetical Ubermench ruling humanity?

When it has been shown Newtypes are not suitable in either understanding nor leadership of humanity busy killing each other?

Unicorn pretty much called it garbage as nobody cares anymore.

It is pretty much the Roman senate killing Ceasar as he threatened the republic.

You know why Spacenoid descendants are racists? With billions dead in the One Year War one third of humanity are Zeon. Zeon never got de-Nazified. Zeon was never made to answer for war crimes.

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

You mean the same constitution that called for a bunch of hypothetical Ubermench ruling humanity?

Ubermench?(idk what this is) If you are referring to Newtypes, that clause was aimed towards spacenoids and their independence if such a thing happened, not newtypes ruling over all of humanity

When it has been shown Newtypes are not suitable in either understanding nor leadership of humanity busy killing each other?

Uhhhhh what? I have no idea what relevance this have to my comment that you responded to. This is mostly out of grammar too, no idea what you are getting at

Unicorn pretty much called it garbage as nobody cares anymore.

Called what garbage? Nobody cares? About what? Please man. you are making it hard for people to understand what you are trying to say

It is pretty much the Roman senate killing Ceasar as he threatened the republic.

Uh who/what the heck are you talking about?

You know why Spacenoid descendants are racists? With billions dead in the One Year War one third of humanity are Zeon. Zeon never got de-Nazified. Zeon was never made to answer for war crimes.

Are you referring to the descendants in G-Reco? Or the ones in the immediate classic UC timeline?

Also Zeon (note Principality of Zeon) never got tried for war crimes because all of the bigwigs/people responsible for calling the shots are dead (Zabis, Delaz). What are they going to do, put on trial all the civilians that did nothing but follow their governments orders? That would be a surefire way to start another war. If I remember correctly instead the EF issued sanctions, and of course formed the Titans after the OYW and Operation Stardust.

As for Neo Zeon, they were more of an independent movement, whose leaders all died within their respective wars. Remnants were either captured and never heard of again, or hid out and joined the next Neo Zeon movement

I honestly have no idea what this part have to do with my comment either since I was talking about the EF, not Zeon

Um not quite sure what you are getting at here, partly due to grammar/incoherence, but Ill try to respond as best I can in the quote to try to avoid further confusion

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Skye629

Ubermench?(idk what this is) If you are referring to Newtypes, that clause was aimed towards spacenoids and their independence if such a thing happened, not newtypes ruling over all of humanity

In verbatim the constitution would make a plutocracy made up of Newtypes.

This a betrayal of democratic principles which the Federation was built on.

Called what garbage? Nobody cares? About what? Please man. you are making it hard for people to understand what you are trying to say

The old constitution is no longer relevant in the UC era.

Really much of the Spacenoids themselves are Federation. Neo Zeon is using a political dud.

Uh who/what the heck are you talking about?

Really you don't know who Ceasar is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassi..._Julius_Caesar
The assassination of Julius Caesar was the result of a conspiracy by many Roman senators. Led by Gaius Cassius Longinus and Marcus Junius Brutus, they stabbed Julius Caesar to death in a location adjacent to the Theatre of Pompey on the Ides of March (March 15), 44 BCE. Caesar was the dictator of the Roman Republic at the time, having recently been declared dictator perpetuo by the Senate. This declaration made several senators fear that Caesar wanted to overthrow the Senate in favor of tyranny, yet the conspirators never restored the Roman Republic. The ramifications of the assassination led to the Liberators' civil war and, ultimately, to the Principate period of the Roman Empire.

Are you referring to the descendants in G-Reco? Or the ones in the immediate classic UC timeline?

Also Zeon (note Principality of Zeon) never got tried for war crimes because all of the bigwigs/people responsible for calling the shots are dead (Zabis, Delaz). What are they going to do, put on trial all the civilians that did nothing but follow their governments orders? That would be a surefire way to start another war. If I remember correctly instead the EF issued sanctions, and of course formed the Titans after the OYW and Operation Stardust.

As for Neo Zeon, they were more of an independent movement, whose leaders all died within their respective wars. Remnants were either captured and never heard of again, or hid out and joined the next Neo Zeon movement

Again you show ignorance of real world history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
Denazification (German: Entnazifizierung) was an Allied initiative to rid German and Austrian society, culture, press, economy, judiciary, and politics of any remnants of the National Socialist (Nazi) ideology. It was carried out specifically by removing those involved from positions of influence and by disbanding or rendering impotent the organizations associated with it. The program of denazification was launched after the end of the Second World War and was solidified by the Potsdam Agreement.

The term denazification was first coined as a legal term in 1943 in the Pentagon, intended to be applied in a narrow sense with reference to the post-war German legal system. Soon afterward, it took on the more general meaning

The Federation never got to get rid of Zeon ideology as is went for a peace treaty. As a result Zeon supporters kept causing problems for the rest of humanity.

When Zeon killed a substantial part of humanity the ratio for human survivors are one Zeon citizen out of three.

They kept passing Zeon ideology of Spacenoid superiority over Earthnoids for the next thousands of years.

That likely led to an apocalypse where humanity was forced to cannibalism both on Earth and space. Given the G-its gang threatened to eat the crew the whole Kuntala thing probably started cause idiots from space kept dropping colonies on Earth.

Oh great you just destroyed a major exporter of food. Dumbasses. Lets eat humans instead.

Now RG Spacenoids want to return to Earth as living in space is a struggle for population expansion and resources.

These religious Taboos that was set up to stop humanity from killing each other is in the way of progress for them.

Calling Earthnoids warlike is hypocritical as Spacenoids want to be Earthnoids themselves.

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

In verbatim the constitution would make a plutocracy made up of Newtypes.

This a betrayal of democratic principles which the Federation was built on.

Did the charter though say that the Newtypes would be the leaders? I only recall that the spacenoids would become independent if such a new race/species/evolution appeared. And since it would be an independent system how would that be hypocritical to the Federations structure?

The old constitution is no longer relevant in the UC era.

Really much of the Spacenoids themselves are Federation. Neo Zeon is using a political dud.

Are you referring to the Laplace charter? Or the structure of the EF government? Im assuming also this response was addressed to the part about Unicorn

As for the spacenoid population being under the EF, I know this, since they either are supportive of the EF, or are content to just live under oppression as long as there is no war.



Really you don't know who Ceasar is?

Lol you misunderstood me, I know who Caesar is, I took a whole class on Roman history a few terms ago. I was confused on what you were using the example to compare to

Again you show ignorance of real world history.

Um same case as above, you misunderstood me, though I was partially mistaken on this account

The Federation never got to get rid of Zeon ideology as is went for a peace treaty. As a result Zeon supporters kept causing problems for the rest of humanity.

When Zeon killed a substantial part of humanity the ratio for human survivors are one Zeon citizen out of three.

They kept passing Zeon ideology of Spacenoid superiority over Earthnoids for the next thousands of years.

What other choice did the EF have? Once that sort of ideology takes root its near impossible to get rid of it, hence they chose the option of treaties/sanctions and suppression

While this indeed did nothing to stop said ideology, it gave both sides a fragile peace until war inevitably came again, rather than a non-stop war with no end until both sides were completely wiped out

That likely led to an apocalypse where humanity was forced to cannibalism both on Earth and space. Given the G-its gang threatened to eat the crew the whole Kuntala thing probably started cause idiots from space kept dropping colonies on Earth.

Oh great you just destroyed a major exporter of food. Dumbasses. Lets eat humans instead.

Well we don't have much details on this time period in UC other than it takes place much after the events of Victory, So I cant really debate on anything here

Now RG Spacenoids want to return to Earth as living in space is a struggle for population expansion and resources.

These religious Taboos that was set up to stop humanity from killing each other is in the way of progress for them.

Calling Earthnoids warlike is hypocritical as Spacenoids want to be Earthnoids themselves.

I know that

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I'm honestly confused how my simple reply to another user about the EF led to this

[Patriot's Blade]

so no one yet commenting on the Gaeon's almighty Freedom Gundam pose, except with beam sabers
something tells me the G-Arcane's transformation gimmick is like a revealed secret ULTIMATE FORM or special attack finishing move-something, hence its absence as of this ep, its probably sealed & locked away too?