Gundam SEED Destiny (Phase 1 Discussion)

[dreamless]

yup, it seems there are two Lacus(es) in the ED? what? Lacus cloning? an army of Lacuses? lol that'd be funny

[Inuzuka]

Originally Posted by dreamless

yup, it seems there are two Lacus(es) in the ED? what? Lacus cloning? an amry of Lacuses? lol that'd be funny

I wouldn't mind honestly

[DwArD]

Er...the opening....Its Athrun and Lacus....not Shinn and Lacus! And I only saw Lacus 3 times in the opening and once in the ending! The other girls you guys saw in the ending is Lunamaria and her sis....damn...forgot her name again....

Just watched the ep...all I can say is......I can't wait for the next episode!!!

[Realist_Classic]

The pink Gundam is Cagalli's Rouge Strike.

The darkened bridge is the bridge of the Minerva. Yay for darkened bridges, definitely more serious looking. No boucing Haros at least.

Originally Posted by wao

Let me try and list all the scenes in the OP involving people so we can make more silly predictions about relationsihps and so on (btw, can we make a new SEED DESTINY thread?)[

[LynnieS]

Did a quck search to see if there's a separate "Destiny" thread yet, and none appeared. Better than making the existing "Protagonist" thread even longer.

Originally Posted by dreamless

yup, it seems there are two Lacus(es) in the ED? what? Lacus cloning? an amry of Lacuses? lol that'd be funny

The artists in the first series liked to play with people's heads, it seems, so who knows? They're probably back to doing it all over again. From the original series, Kira would have to do something pretty drastic and downright stupid since then to get Lacus away.

An army of Lacus clones? Now that's a scary thought.

Very Hong Kong action flick-like gunplay during the EA hijacking. Stella was really scary looking with her knife and gun.

They brought in Rouge IWSP in the OP also. Does that mean they're going to show the MSV mecha in here, I wonder?

[LynnieS]

Originally Posted by wao

Let me try and list all the scenes in the OP involving people so we can make more silly predictions about relationsihps and so on (btw, can we make a new SEED DESTINY thread?)

Just did it. The thread is here.

[srb]

That's just not the Strike Rouge - that's the Strike Rogue IWSP. Integrated Weapons Striker Pack.

[DwArD]

Those are not Lacus! They're Lunamaria and her sis!

[HaRoRuleZ]

I think the mods may like to extract today's posts here then make up a new Phase 1 discussion thread.

[wao]

Made the changes. Sorry about the Shin/Athrun thing, that was pure lack of attention on my part. Anyway, watched the ep... I am most interested in what Cagalli's saying... I wish they wouldn't portray her as so dependant on Athrun. :z
Also... stupid boob thing with Shinn and Stellar.... and we didn't hear much of Shinn either... blah blah...

Okay, now time for the Silly-Relationships-Guessing game from the OP.

Spoiler:

1. Kira x Athrun x Shinn <3! You know, Brothers in Angst...

2. Notice... they are all guys as well. Roanoke and Barrel (sorry, I don't know the official romanizing and I'm too lazy to check it up) looking at each other so... okay, not lovingly, but still... IT'S THE HAIR COLOUR! AAHH! They are the Fraga and Creuset of Destiny! The evil person this time is Roanoke, and Barrel is l33t like Fraga but has the exact opposite personality. And.... Roanoke is..... the.... the..... uh.... dammit, he's not Murrue or anything. Who cares! They can all <3 each other!!

3. Maybe Miriallia didn't like Dearka in the end. :\

4. At least here Cagalli is more independant.

5. Haro still loves you, Lacus.

6. Cagalli and Athrun may be more slanted towards Zaft this time. They somehow end up on the Minerva, which acts as a location for Athrun to hit on Lunamaria

7. Rey x Lunamaria? I'm thinking of a more "comrade" sort of relationship. Unfortunately the Athrun x Cagalli relationship that I always liked SEEMS - I'm making big assumptions here - to be turning into a more romantic dependant one, I hope Rey and Lunamaria can be good comrades and not rivals but also not touchy-feely or dpeendant with each other. and yet be good friends.

8 (with 7). Linking all three of them with the salute may be grouping them, with the relationship of comradeship. That's nice. Putting Shinn separately may support Rey x Lunamaria and leave him as the person open up to go with someone else. Perhaps? Or it's showing Rey x Lunamaria as the obvious "pairing" while Shinn is more of the... "special" one...? I'm inclined to think he's more separate, looking at #20

9/10/11. This is obvious that you group 3 of them together... Relationshipwise I don't think there's much. Doesn't seem to be as close as the ZAFT Trio (Rey, Lunamaria, Shinn). I suppose Sting and Aule are more close to each other as I think we can throw Stellar and Shinn together better as the "odd ones out".

12~16. How do we take this? This is really pointless to argue over so I thin kwe can just lump them together.... if you want, I'd put it as 12 / 13 (again, Lunamaria x Rey), 14 / 15 (You know it has to be Yzak/Dearka. What else?!) and 16 on its own

17. nothing much really

18. Er.... good friends? But what happened to the other dude in that trio? (I forgot his name)

19. This is the only place Meyrin appears. I suppose she doesn't really "go" with anyone else. That's fine.

20. If they put THIS in, then *DEFINITELY* there must be Shinn/Stellar somewhere. DEFINITELY.

21. Yay! Controversial scene. Okay, so we have Lacus hiding behind Athrun... As if Athrun was her boyfriend. Will she bring up the "we used to be engaged" thing? Or is she having some sort of problem that Athrun becomes the person she relies and confides on? What happened to Kira? Or more importantly, her usual calmness? Or is this something else entirely?

And with Lunamaria and Cagalli both holding guns there I'm inclined to think they may become rivals later. Over what? Of course it may not be rivals... Still, I'm glad to see Cagalli is not having a silly nekkid mushy scene with Athrun the way Kira and Lacus had all the time in SEED. I don't want their relationship to go that way.
They're not pointing their guns at anyone in particular, of course, so it might just be General Angst.

22. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don't let it be Bartfeld/Murrue. Please? Okay, well I don't mind if they both go on the Archangel and make good comrades and go around in peace. Actually, come to think of it, that's kinda sweet. But then Murrue picking up the mask at the end... ah, well, it can be taken many ways

23. This, to me, seems to be screaming "Kira not with Lacus". It is begging the question "Why?!!".

24. Shinn vs. Kira. Again, why? Maybe because Shinn is so bent on revenge and war and wants to revive that angry spirit in people and Kira himself is angry that people still think this way.

25. Take this anyway you like, Lunamaria, Athrun, SHinn and Rey in the pic... We have the ZAFT Trio here but it's broken up by Athrun placed there, next to Lunamaria. Hmm? Or perhaps you look at it horizontally, Lunamaria with Rey (again) and Athrun with Shinn.

I know this is absolutely stupid, pointless and annoying so this should be SPAM, but this is so fun and mindless and ridiculous :P Everything is purely based on stupid assumptions and huge presumptions, and it's really... pointless! It's not like everything in the OP means something and it's not like it'll change later, either. S'all in the name of stupid fun and predicting formula series like Gundam SEED Destiny
But seriously speaking I think some things are very apparent.

Spoiler:

1. Lunamaria and Rey are more than friends.
2. Stellar and Shinn definitely have something going on.
3. Kira and Lacus definitely have something wrong, especially the Lacus-with-Athrun thing

I'll just sit and wait for the next ep patiently then, all will be revealed in due time.

[Blaat]

So how was the first episode; amazing, good, okay?

[dreamless]

I think what we need is not a new thread, but a new forum already... a thread with almost 500 posts before the anime even airs, that's some crazy popularity

I'm sure there will be a crazy amount of more posts coming when more people have seen the first episode and the OP/ED

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Blaat

So how was the first episode; amazing, good, okay?

Well, if you like Athrun and Cagalli, it's great since that's pretty much what most of the episode concentrates on... Other than that you see a few glimpses of the new characters, Gilbert Dullindal reminds everyone of Char Aznable, and some funky firefight, and a bunch of mutilated bodies (and a detached arm) in the beginning.

Of course, being a first episode, the animation is excellent compared to the later half of SEED's. Don't know how the future episodes will be like though since the quality generally decline after this.

Did a quck search to see if there's a separate "Destiny" thread yet, and none appeared. Better than making the existing "Protagonist" thread even longer.

Time for a Destiny forum? You know we'll be needing one...

[wao]

Personally I thoguht the first ep was okay, nothing amazing really, maybe I'm just used to all this angst stuff and I knew what was coming (The experience of watching this sort of stuff week-by-week and watching it all at one go on VCD is quite different)

Can't comment on the Gundams due to my severe lack of knowledge in that area... The Shinn accidentally poking Stellar's boob thing was a bit silly...

The most intriguing part was the OP :P Decent OP but I'm a bit sick of TMR, kind of... and my raw had the ads shown too, that was interesting TMR in a ZAFT suit?!!

Also I am C + Ping my absolutely stupid character relationship based on OP thingy here. Could the moderators kindly delete the posts from the other thread.

Spoiler for whatever:

1. Kira, Athrun (ooh, Athrun has a nice butt! ), somebody-in-the-background (I think it's Shinn) and Torii on Kira's shoulder with a war torn background

2. Neo Roanoke and Rey Za Barrel looking at each other and floating, with Gilbert Durandal looking sad/angry in the background.

3. Miriallia being a war journalist with a hideous green headband.

4. Cagalli looking up with Gundams in the background (including a pink one, which one is that, DON'T ASK ME)

5. Lacus doing her STUPID DANCE. Ugh. And that fscking dress.

6. Picture of the inside of a ship. EDIT: It's the Minerva. I think I see Lunamaria in the background. There's Cagalli, Athrun and Taria too.

7. Cropped closeups of Lunamaria and Rey saluting each other, both looking determined (but Lunamaria a bit more cheerful)

8. Shinn jumping into his MS and similarly saluting

9. EA guy with the green hair looking stupid. With some gundam in the background.

10. Stellar looking inspired with a gundam in the background.

11. Aule doing his shooting pose with a gundam in the background.

12. Lunamaria looking... uh... "yay"ish with a gundam in the background.

13. Rey looking sexy and angsty and bishie-like (is that a guy or a girl again?) with a gundam in the background.

14. YZAK!!!!!!! With a white suit and a gundam in the background.

15. Dearka!!! With a gundam in the background.

16. ATHRUN!!!!!! (whyyyyy, what happened to peace?!!!) Looking angry-angsty with a... what is that in the background?

17. Taria leaning forward on the ship looking concerned
18. Vieno and Yolan floating around, Vieno reading a book
19. Meyrin leaning forward to say something in her seat (on the bridge.. CIC?)

20. Shin (??!) and Stellar nekkid being er, nice to each other (gundam in the back enjoying the scene) - not 100% sure, my raw ALWAYS *ALWAYS* lags so that 99% of the time it misses this scene -_-

21. Lacus hiding behind Athrun (who is facing her) while her hands are on his chest, Lunamaria on the left holding a gun and pointing it towards the viewer, Cagalli looking angry and pointing a gun facing the left (not towards anyone) - stupid Utena outfit...

22. Murrue looking sweet and Mr. I-Got-One-Up-From-Fraga Andrew Bartfeld in the background, with Murrue's pendant dividing the scene and the ARchangel in the background (please please please I hope they're not going to battle again, they're NOT in uniform!)

23. Kira looking down at Lacus concernedly and Lacus looking at Kira with that weird "I'm not pleased with you" look

24. Shinn and Kira fighting each other looking agnry

25. Final scene: Lunamaria, Athrun, Shinn and Rey all smiling (except Rey. Idiot.)

Spoiler:

1. Kira x Athrun x Shinn <3! You know, Brothers in Angst...

2. Notice... they are all guys as well. Roanoke and Barrel (sorry, I don't know the official romanizing and I'm too lazy to check it up) looking at each other so... okay, not lovingly, but still... IT'S THE HAIR COLOUR! AAHH! They are the Fraga and Creuset of Destiny! The evil person this time is Roanoke, and Barrel is l33t like Fraga but has the exact opposite personality. And.... Roanoke is..... the.... the..... uh.... dammit, he's not Murrue or anything. Who cares! They can all <3 each other!!

3. Maybe Miriallia didn't like Dearka in the end. :\

4. At least here Cagalli is more independant.

5. Haro still loves you, Lacus.

6. Cagalli and Athrun may be more slanted towards Zaft this time. They somehow end up on the Minerva, which acts as a location for Athrun to hit on Lunamaria

7. Rey x Lunamaria? I'm thinking of a more "comrade" sort of relationship. Unfortunately the Athrun x Cagalli relationship that I always liked SEEMS - I'm making big assumptions here - to be turning into a more romantic dependant one, I hope Rey and Lunamaria can be good comrades and not rivals but also not touchy-feely or dpeendant with each other. and yet be good friends.

8 (with 7). Linking all three of them with the salute may be grouping them, with the relationship of comradeship. That's nice. Putting Shinn separately may support Rey x Lunamaria and leave him as the person open up to go with someone else. Perhaps? Or it's showing Rey x Lunamaria as the obvious "pairing" while Shinn is more of the... "special" one...? I'm inclined to think he's more separate, looking at #20

9/10/11. This is obvious that you group 3 of them together... Relationshipwise I don't think there's much. Doesn't seem to be as close as the ZAFT Trio (Rey, Lunamaria, Shinn). I suppose Sting and Aule are more close to each other as I think we can throw Stellar and Shinn together better as the "odd ones out".

12~16. How do we take this? This is really pointless to argue over so I thin kwe can just lump them together.... if you want, I'd put it as 12 / 13 (again, Lunamaria x Rey), 14 / 15 (You know it has to be Yzak/Dearka. What else?!) and 16 on its own

17. nothing much really

18. Er.... good friends? But what happened to the other dude in that trio? (I forgot his name)

19. This is the only place Meyrin appears. I suppose she doesn't really "go" with anyone else. That's fine.

20. If they put THIS in, then *DEFINITELY* there must be Shinn/Stellar somewhere. DEFINITELY.

21. Yay! Controversial scene. Okay, so we have Lacus hiding behind Athrun... As if Athrun was her boyfriend. Will she bring up the "we used to be engaged" thing? Or is she having some sort of problem that Athrun becomes the person she relies and confides on? What happened to Kira? Or more importantly, her usual calmness? Or is this something else entirely?

And with Lunamaria and Cagalli both holding guns there I'm inclined to think they may become rivals later. Over what? Of course it may not be rivals... Still, I'm glad to see Cagalli is not having a silly nekkid mushy scene with Athrun the way Kira and Lacus had all the time in SEED. I don't want their relationship to go that way.
They're not pointing their guns at anyone in particular, of course, so it might just be General Angst.

22. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don't let it be Bartfeld/Murrue. Please? Okay, well I don't mind if they both go on the Archangel and make good comrades and go around in peace. Actually, come to think of it, that's kinda sweet. But then Murrue picking up the mask at the end... ah, well, it can be taken many ways

23. This, to me, seems to be screaming "Kira not with Lacus". It is begging the question "Why?!!".

24. Shinn vs. Kira. Again, why? Maybe because Shinn is so bent on revenge and war and wants to revive that angry spirit in people and Kira himself is angry that people still think this way.

25. Take this anyway you like, Lunamaria, Athrun, SHinn and Rey in the pic... We have the ZAFT Trio here but it's broken up by Athrun placed there, next to Lunamaria. Hmm? Or perhaps you look at it horizontally, Lunamaria with Rey (again) and Athrun with Shinn.

I know this is absolutely stupid, pointless and annoying so this should be SPAM, but this is so fun and mindless and ridiculous :P Everything is purely based on stupid assumptions and huge presumptions, and it's really... pointless! It's not like everything in the OP means something and it's not like it'll change later, either. S'all in the name of stupid fun and predicting formula series like Gundam SEED Destiny
But seriously speaking I think some things are very apparent.

Spoiler:

1. Lunamaria and Rey are more than friends.
2. Stellar and Shinn definitely have something going on.
3. Kira and Lacus definitely have something wrong, especially the Lacus-with-Athrun thing

I'll just sit and wait for the next ep patiently then, all will be revealed in due time.

[brightman]

BTW, the entire OP is here: http://www.armycats.com/flash/gundamsdop1.html

And the two Lacus's in the ED:

Spoiler:

Unless the first one's not Lacus but a lookalike with the same fashion sense as her....

[ZGMF-X10A]

BEST ANIME EVER... they have fighting already in first episode :O this is amazing ... can't wait until 2nd episode ><

[brightman]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Spoiler:

but somehow I thought I was watching an animated version of Power Rangers... with all those flying parts, which combined into the Gundam in Mid-Air...
For what reason didn't they build a complete machine from the start?

Well, its a classic Gundam thing. The first Gundam did it, The ZZ Gundam did it, the Victory Gundam did it. So its nothing new... Especially since Power Rangers (actually the Sentai combination robots) and Gundam originated from the same Super Robot genre.

[Realist_Classic]

Hrm, if the ending and opening sequences are supposed to give away the story, then a cloned Lacus might actually be a possibility.

Look at the OP: no other character gets a double animation. That helpless one hiding behind Athrun must be the evil one! :P

[sarcasteak]

All his characters look too similar...it's driving me nuts! >_<

But I will probably still end up watching it...*sigh*

[ZGMF-X10A]

hmmm cloning of lucus... i'll check the ending again... but these clips on opening and ending are hurting my head so many possiblities... O.o

kira and calgari naked and kira and lucus naked... wtf kira and calgari are bother and sisters... O.o