Crunchyroll Promises to Get Rid of Fansubs, Signs Deal to Stream Naruto, Gintama...

[Aoie_Emesai]

Heh, Naruto...

I hope the other 3 are good ^^

[Ryusiangel]

do you know when skip beat and shugo chara ect if they start doing this will release on dvds i usually like to own them and rewatch i'm to impatient when it comes to dvds

[TigerII]

So they are gaining four shows and getting rid of all the others..lol...

[SeedFreedom]

Originally Posted by TigerII

So they are gaining four shows and getting rid of all the others..lol...

But then their site will be 100% legal. Thats a big bonus.

[einhorn303]

Originally Posted by SeedFreedom

But then their site will be 100% legal. Thats a big bonus.

And a 100% legal video site can make much more money in advertising revenue.

I was just reading this interesting article I found on Digg about Youtube and Hulu. Although Youtube has 34 percent of all US streaming activity, and Hulu only 0.7%, Hulu is catching up to the same advertising profits and "both YouTube and Hulu could see roughly the same revenues in the U.S. this year."

"Unlike YouTube, Hulu isn’t plagued by copyright concerns and doesn’t need to worry about questionable user-generated content. More importantly, all of its content appeals to advertisers."

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/01...-than-youtube/

Besides the, whole, you know, being legit and not illegally profiting off of the anime industry. If Hulu made ad revenue off streaming fansubs, it's basically the same as ripping off people with bootleg DVD-R's for profit.

[KrebMarkt]

Originally Posted by xris

The subs will be done by an independant company that are hired by either CR or by TV Tokyo, I suspect by CR themsleves.

Unless TV Tokyo is stupid, owning the subs IP is critical if they want to sign similar accord with other websites.
Giving CR the IP for the subs is evil as they will have de-facto an insane head start in subs. Any others websites even if they get the distribution right will have hell to catch up with CR.

Monopole is always wrong even if it is CR.

[xris]

Originally Posted by KrebMarkt

Subs will be done by the japoneses studios.
CR will be only responsible for the web streaming distribution.

Originally Posted by xris

Incorrect. The subs will be done by an independant company that are hired by either CR or by TV Tokyo, I suspect by CR themsleves.

Originally Posted by KrebMarkt

Check the "Crunchyroll Promises to Get Rid of Fansubs, Signs Deal to Stream Naruto, Gintama... " topic for my opinion on subs IP.

Your original post stated the subs will be done by the Japanese studios. This is incorrect, they are being produced by an independant company who specialise in such translations. It depends on the specific contracts that CR signs between TV Tokyo and the translation company as to who "own" the rights to that particular translations but chances are CR will own the rights.

But it really makes no difference to the original rights holder (of Skip Beat! / Shugo Chara! / etc., etc). They still own the rights for the show in question and unless CR signs an exclusive English translation rights contract, it's not going to stop the English DVD or U.S. Television rights from being locked to the CR translation.

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by KrebMarkt

Unless TV Tokyo is stupid, owning the subs IP is critical if they want to sign similar accord with other websites.
Giving CR the IP for the subs is evil as they will have de-facto an insane head start in subs. Any others websites even if they get the distribution right will have hell to catch up with CR.

Monopole is always wrong even if it is CR.

Subtitles are derivative works, the original rights holders always has final control over who can use them. I'm pretty sure that the subtitles made by Crunchyroll will be the property of TV tokyo, and that the sub creation is part of the deal.
Just because you don't make them, doesn't mean you don't own them. TV Tokyo is probably _paying_ CR (either in cash or in percentage of ad revenue) to make these subtitles.

Just like "BOST" created the subtitles for all the various releases of the Gonzo stuff like Tower of Druaga, and their subs were also used for the youtube and CR streams of the show, the subs that CR will create will belong to TV Tokyo, not CR.

Crunchyroll is simply acting as a mini-production house for TV Tokyo. The only thing they have "licensed" is the right to stream the shows online (and I doubt it's exclusive beyond the first week at that, considering that Naruto has 3 other outlets).

[KrebMarkt]

@Quarkboy

Thanks for the explanation.

I was afraid that CR would get the power to say "Make your own sub, don't use ours" to any potential challenger in legal AnimeXStreaming business.

I just hate any form of monopole.

Now let see how CR will handle their transition and the streaming modality whatever it's VOD, pay TV, etc...

[cyth]

Originally Posted by KrebMarkt

I was afraid that CR would get the power to say "Make your own sub, don't use ours" to any potential challenger in legal AnimeXStreaming business.

I'm sure the contracts formed between TV Tokyo and whoever is producing subtitles will be such so that TV Tokyo doesn't have to pay a dozen production companies for practically the same product. They're not that stupid.

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Just because you don't make them, doesn't mean you don't own them.

"Intellectual property" is seldom the property of the people whose intellect created it.


I'm wondering a bit why Shugo Chara is on the list. Mahou shoujo is the last genre I'd expect to work subbed and streamed.

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by Slice of Life

"Intellectual property" is seldom the property of the people whose intellect created it.


I'm wondering a bit why Shugo Chara is on the list. Mahou shoujo is the last genre I'd expect to work subbed and streamed.

IT's big on CR. It was the number 3 show all time "crunchiest" (whatever that meant).

It's very very popular with young girls, not surprisingly, and crunchyroll's population is younger skewed and less male-dominated than say animesuki (forums, anyway).

I wouldn't be surprised if CR asked for it to be part of the package, since it's a long running show that can help keep a streaming site like CR with a steady stream of viewers every week.

When it comes to current shoujo shows for young girls, Pretty Cure is the top and Shugo Chara! is next in line. Unfortunately Pretty Cure is Toei and they have no clue what they are doing and would never ever allow simultaneous broadcast (or if they did they wouldn't know how to do it in the first place).
I think CR is just trying to serve all their "customers" by having shows of as many genres as they can.
They'll have Naruto for the Narutards, Gintama for the slightly more evolved Narutards, Shugo Chara! for the young girls and Skip Beat! for the slightly older girls, Fist of the North Star for the GAR fans and Gonzo shows for the pantsu fans . Digimon for the digivolved pokemon fans and slam dunk for the sports anime fans, and pretty cure for the magical girl with lesbian undertone show fans. There, bases covered (except for mecha fans. Sorry but Bandai has a monopoly on that one).

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by KrebMarkt

I just hate any form of monopole.

Just like the universe itself...


FYI: This is a theoretical physicist joke utilizing your typo that hardly anyone on this forum could understand...

[einhorn303]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

There, bases covered (except for mecha fans.)

Linebarrels of Iron? Although I guess you could say "CGI mecha don't count!"

[Quarkboy]

Originally Posted by einhorn303

Linebarrels of Iron? Although I guess you could say "CGI mecha don't count!"

Yeah, I guess so. But something in me tells me that true mecha fans will not be satisfied by that. Put up a macross or a gundam whatever, or even a classic like giant robo or something and then they've got something.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

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I think CR is just trying to serve all their "customers" by having shows of as many genres as they can.
They'll have Naruto for the Narutards, Gintama for the slightly more evolved Narutards, Shugo Chara! for the young girls and Skip Beat! for the slightly older girls, Fist of the North Star for the GAR fans and Gonzo shows for the pantsu fans . Digimon for the digivolved pokemon fans and slam dunk for the sports anime fans, and pretty cure for the magical girl with lesbian undertone show fans. There, bases covered (except for mecha fans. Sorry but Bandai has a monopoly on that one).

Hilarious analysis of their business model .... spot on I suspect.

[KrebMarkt]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

Just like the universe itself...


FYI: This is a theoretical physicist joke utilizing your typo that hardly anyone on this forum could understand...

Unfortunately your joke is too true
Any cultural products : books, musics, etc... are by essence the monopoly of their creators.

Eventually anything will fell into the public domain because the copyright expired.

N.B. : My typo is bad because in french monopoly<=>monopole. Ask a French what is monopoly, he/she will think of the board game.

[KrebMarkt]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

When it comes to current shoujo shows for young girls, Pretty Cure is the top and Shugo Chara! is next in line. Unfortunately Pretty Cure is Toei and they have no clue what they are doing and would never ever allow simultaneous broadcast (or if they did they wouldn't know how to do it in the first place).
I think CR is just trying to serve all their "customers" by having shows of as many genres as they can.
They'll have Naruto for the Narutards, Gintama for the slightly more evolved Narutards, Shugo Chara! for the young girls and Skip Beat! for the slightly older girls, Fist of the North Star for the GAR fans and Gonzo shows for the pantsu fans . Digimon for the digivolved pokemon fans and slam dunk for the sports anime fans, and pretty cure for the magical girl with lesbian undertone show fans. There, bases covered (except for mecha fans. Sorry but Bandai has a monopoly on that one).

Next on the line is "slice of life" : Sketchbook Full color, Aria, to get the youngster parents hooked too.

[Suzuran]

This sucks for me. I usually buy everything I watch once it becomes licensed, but I refuse to pay Crunchyroll because selling fansubs is wrong wrong wrong. So since I watched SC, I feel I should pay for the licensed versions, but I am -really- averse to helping Crunchyroll profit from their previous misdeeds. It would be nice if I could just walk away and tell them to screw off, but the chances of SC being relicensed by someone reputable are pretty slim...

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

It's very very popular with young girls, not surprisingly, and crunchyroll's population is younger skewed and less male-dominated than say animesuki

But it's probably male-dominated, nevertheless. And isn't Shugo Chara targeted at younger audiences than, say, Naruto? Then again if it's true that

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

IT's big on CR. It was the number 3 show all time "crunchiest" (whatever that meant).

... then this is something I can hardly argue against.