2014-03-26, 13:02 | Link #382 | |
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Sure, and the same pretty much applies to Caster, but at least they get significant involvement in the story.
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2014-03-26, 15:06 | Link #383 |
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Well I like to think characters are elements of the story that should not be used for shock and just kill them, if they have to die better have reasons beyond “Who could go next?” If we can’t form any connection to the characters the deaths are pointless and if we do then the death is important. In Zero they did try to make that feeling for almost each Master and Servant team. I really didn’t mind it took so long for anyone to die.
Also I think the one who gets more screw over is Assassin, not Lancer. I mean first he is a fake then True Assassin comes from his bones and he is pretty much a side note for later, back in Zero the Assassin didn’t have a character to talk about. And they are often describing as the weakest of the Servants that nobody cares about.
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2014-03-26, 21:24 | Link #389 |
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Well, it depends what you want.
For the original purpose of reaching Akasha, yes, all 7 servants need to die. However, by the time of the fifth war, precisely no-one involved in the war knows and cares about the original purpose. Zouken has forgotten it entirely and just wants immortality (and neither Sakura nor Shinji have been told anything more than "you have to fight in this war, if you win you get a wish"), Rin doesn't have a clue because her father never taught her anything beyond the basics and Ilya is the grail, so even if she wins she gets nothing but the glory of victory. And, for any wish aside from reaching Akasha, 6 servants is enough.
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2014-03-26, 22:43 | Link #390 |
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Yeah, that kind of downplays the whole war. Almost all of the Masters and Servants don’t want the damn thing. A lot of them state that they don’t have a wish or that they don’t really care. So, why are they even fighting for it? Just go out and say it and get it over. Is not like the Servants actually die since they are dead already and the Masters can stay alive. In Zero at least most of them had a wish or plans for the Grail.
Ok, I am not serious about that… but is a fun way to look at it. Back to the original idea, yes, in war people dies but just putting people to kill them off right away is kind of pointless. In a battle like the Grail War each death should change something, elevate the stakes or at least move the others. Not just get rid of the problem and forget about it. But we shall see how they handle that here.
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2014-04-02, 04:25 | Link #391 | |
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Your view shows that you need to read the VN/novel at a deeper level.
The Magi are essentially arcane scientists. Why do physicist care about the Big Bang and Black Holes? They are far removed from daily affairs. However, scientists still study these concepts just for the sake of understanding the World. Similarly, Magi seem to do useless things like fighting in Grail Wars and questing for the Root just for better understanding of things. As to why people like Rin and Kayneth do it, it is just a matter of vain pride. "I do this because I can/want to". Quote:
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2014-04-02, 04:43 | Link #392 |
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O boy... here we go again...
Another 5 pages of Fate universe debate until we actually read some new info about the new anime.... Can you please move this subject into FaQ and debate there instead in "Pre-Air Speculation/Spoiler Thread for new anime"? |
2014-04-02, 11:25 | Link #399 | |
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And technically, those were Type-Moon's April Fools jokes. Unfortunately, they were all taken down after April Fools was over. Ufotable did a beheading cafe with bunny Ryougi. |
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