2009-08-16, 22:14 | Link #381 |
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I'm actually kinda glad that the old subject about the comparison between Ace's strength and the rest of the commanders came up. Again, I don't really like talking about how "character Y is stronger/weaker than character Z", but even before this storyline I always sorta had the feeling that there may have been commanders outside of the first 4 divisions who may have possibly had an edge over ol' fire-fist, due to their experience. Actually, it might even be the case where there may not be an outright "strongest" commander. They all seem to have pretty unique abilities that make them stand out in their own right (and on that note, I'm still pretty eager to see the dude with the top hat and the guy with the chain chomp-like weapon in action....). This is actually the same way I feel about the Shichibukai and marine admirals, but that still doesn't stop countless others from arguing about who amongst those guys is the strongest, anyway.....
Anyways, since the arguments that tend to spawn from these breaks seemed to have cooled off, I speculate that we may actually see some action from Akainu next chapter (I'm still crossing my fingers for the miniscule chance that he's a Zoan.....). And yeah, I definitely agree that Magellan needs to get his big behind to Marineford to lend some support in this war. The way I see it, a guy who nearly offed Blackbeard's entire crew in one stroke can sure as hell hold his own against some New World pirates. And then we can finally bear witness to the final showdown between him and Luffy....... ....Oh, and speaking of the NW pirates, I hope we get to see Doma and Makugai in action this upcoming chapter! The only NW captain we saw this chapter was that "Spider Squad" dude or whatever his name was. We also need confirmation on whether or not that one old lady is Lola's mom...... |
2009-08-17, 00:31 | Link #383 |
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^I more or less want to see a Zoan that's fully capable of kicking a Logia's ass, to put things bluntly. And as I mentioned in the Zoan thread, the introduction of both Ancient and Awakened-type Zoans actually makes that particular DF class a lot more diverse than they initially seemed. Remember how the Awakned guardians from Impel Down were able to quickly recover from the beatdown they received from Luffy and the 2 Shichibukai? Now imagine an opponent with that type of endurance, but much stronger and intelligent. It really makes me wonder if Luffy would have stood a chance against Rob Lucci at Enies Lobby if HE turned out to be an Awakened Zoan........
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2009-08-17, 14:19 | Link #386 | |
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I do see where your coming from with Moria, but I don't see much of a case for Crocodile, considering he lost to Luffy back when his bounty was only 30 million and he didn't have any gears. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware he beat Luffy twice before losing that third time, and I personally believe his strength was way stronger than 81 million and even the projected 162 million the navy said he would've been worth. Not to mention given all the time he's spent in prison being tortured he's probably much tougher now. (and I'm looking for him to do big things in the upcoming fight) But at the time of his defeat I believe he was one of the lessers if not the least of the shichibukai As for Moria, we didn't see much of what he can do, but based on what I did see, I'd still say that Luffy could've beat him. If you look back at the fight the only real problem Luffy had with Moria was the fact that he couldn't hit him, and the one time he did hit him (pre-Oz) he hurt him, and he wasn't even using his gears at the time. Later on, Luffy faced a worn out Moria, when he himself IMO was far more worn out himself and beat him. To add to that, prior to beating Moria Luffy pointed out a rather interesting fact, Moria has no way to hurt Luffy because he's made of Rubber. If you think back to all of Luffy's fights, all of his major opponents used cutting weapons, exploding weapons, and various other things like Aokiji's ice attacks to take him on. Other than those scissors, Moria only has his fists to fight with, and we've never seen him fight with those scissors so we don't know if he has any actual skill with it. But my main point is this, after comparing what Moria and Crocodile can do with what Kuma, Mihawk, and the rest of the Shichibukai can do (minus boa), it just seems to pale in comparison.
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2009-08-17, 14:30 | Link #387 | |
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I generally agree with almost everything you have said (Luffy, Moria, and Crocodile being, ore or less, on the same level), but I wanted to make 1 quick point and then a joke (at Blackbeard D. Kuma's expense):
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2009-08-17, 18:58 | Link #389 | |
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I wouldn't say that I love Moria . It's just that I defend him from the people who perceive him as being weak and below Luffy. He once fought equally with Kaidou; it makes no sense for a supernova rookie like Luffy to have that kind of strength (not yet, at least), especially when looking at things from a power balance perspective (marines = shichibukai = yonkou). Unless, of course, Oda meant that the 3 world powers form a delicate balance in a political sense, which makes more sense because it's hard to believe that they are all coincidentally equal in fighting power.
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2009-08-17, 20:23 | Link #390 | |
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Where did in the manga did it say that Moria ever fought equally with Kaidou? I do remember it saying that he had ass handed to him on a silver platter with a fork in the left cheek by Kaidou. Otherwise, if he did fight equally with Kaidou and Luffy beat Moria, then you basically saying that Kaidou, a Yonkou, isn't nothing to write home about. In my opinion, The Shichibukai was formed to balance out the power of the Yonkou collectively, not individually. If it was another Yonkou coming to Ace's rescue, I highly doubt the Marines would go such extreme measures. With the exception of Whitebeard, I believe the Marines can overpower a single Yonkou. Last edited by AddiKtioNn-BlaCk; 2009-08-18 at 05:54. |
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1. Oda originally intended the Shichibukai to have bigger crews. 2. He intended the Shichibukai to be stronger. 3. When he mentioned the balancing powers he was referring to the people in charge (i. e. The Yonkou themselves/the captains, the admirals, and the shichibukai) 4. Or like you said maybe the word balance was meant to be more political then literal. Or who knows maybe there's something we're missing here that hasn't been mentioned yet. Lol, I'd like to think Kaidou is equal to Kaidou.
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