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Jan-Poo · 2010-06-17, 19:22

It is very unlikely that the when they cry series will stop. While Ryuukishi himself works in other projects, the other people at 07expansion do not.

So even in the case they abandon the "when they cry" title, there will be another sound novel project, else the 07expansion group will have to shut down.

Himeyume · 2010-06-17, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Lenyo

And in my opinion, he's shown to be capable of filling the shoes crafted by Higurashi when he started Umineko. I'd say he even made the shoes a size bigger or so at this point in time.. If he can make When They Cry Five NEARLY as good as Umineko, I'd buy it.

I have to agree with you on that one. Though it would be interesting to see if the shoes are too big XD

Lenyo · 2010-06-17, 19:34

So, to stop the off topic discussion...

How's the progress on Episode 6 coming? I just replayed Ep5... And can't really wait much longer. XD

Edit: And yes, I'm aware you said you would most likely have it by the week's end... I just wanted to check to see how it was coming along.

Judoh · 2010-06-17, 20:53

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Originally Posted by chronotrig

Also, I've just finished finals and have my first entirely free week since the EP2 translation. Status on the website is currently accurate, but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to finish the rough translation for this upcoming patch by the end of the week.

There you go.

Klashikari said the first patch will be 50% though so you might want to wait.

Lenyo · 2010-06-17, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Lenyo

Edit: And yes, I'm aware you said you would most likely have it by the week's end... I just wanted to check to see how it was coming along.

I already knew that, I was asking for a more up to date status report.

Eh, I'm too excited. I'll just play it rreeeaaaally slowly.

moichispa · 2010-06-18, 06:40

They said that it would be ended for this week I don't think they will give a more detailed report for sure . At this point it is better let then work that asking them to gives reports everyday cause the time they spend doing it will not be spent on umineko

Renall · 2010-06-18, 08:47

Bear in mind ep6 is going to take a lot of editing. It's one of the touchiest episodes so far, so just finishing the translation doesn't mean the editing is done. I think last time there was a status report it noted a lot of editing work had been done, but don't jump the gun.

Believe me, you want them to triple-check this one.

Laserworm · 2010-06-18, 12:36

yeah, just let them work. Ep6 is full of double meanings, tricks, an many other stuff that needs to be carefully checked.

I'm suddenly remembering Ryu07's quote. "Ep5 and beyond shouldn't be regarded as just hints, more like a part of the answer."

But if one line is edited wrong, we might come to a different thought on the matter. Editing is very important.

Lenyo · 2010-06-18, 12:59

Hey, I understand that and all. It's not like I was belittling their work by asking for a status update. >_>

And I still root for you, Witch Hunt! Onwards to glory!

Laserworm · 2010-06-18, 13:01

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Originally Posted by Lenyo

Hey, I understand that and all. It's not like I'm belittling their work by asking for a status update. >_>

We know that. But understand their status updates are a complete shot in the dark. Some parts could take 20 minutes longer than expected and other parts they expected to take a long time could only take a short time.

Lenyo · 2010-06-18, 13:05

And uh, I'm telling you I DO understand... So, it's not like I'm being inconsiderate, I just wanted to ask "How's it?" You don't need to tell me twice that programming is difficult! Heck, I couldn't do what they're doing in five years!

DivineWolfwood · 2010-06-18, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Lenyo

And uh, I'm telling you I DO understand... So, it's not like I'm being inconsiderate, I just wanted to ask "How's it?" You don't need to tell me twice that programming is difficult! Heck, I couldn't do what they're doing in five years!

People tend to feel that asking consistently for status updates is inconsiderate; you asked that only 3 days after he had given the last one. All you'll do by peppering them "Hey, how's it going now!" is at best slow them down by getting them to consistently post, and at worst it will annoy them and make them take longer because it makes them want to work on the project less.

I know you don't have any ill intentions, and you're as excited as the rest of us, but let people provide status updates when they have them. Just asking for them won't do anything.

Lenyo · 2010-06-18, 13:40

Yes... And I have been told this several times, and I apologize. I'm not looking to start an argument when I just got here. Ahaha...

So who here has played Episode six in Japanese?

Laserworm · 2010-06-18, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Lenyo

Yes... And I have been told this several times, and I apologize. I'm not looking to start an argument when I just got here. Ahaha...

So who here has played Episode six in Japanese?

I have, but I mostly used ATLAS

, cause I can't read much japanese. (Hopefully I will be able to use ATLAS less for ep7, and not at all for ep8.)

Jan-Poo · 2010-06-18, 13:50

A few people did (I'm one of those), then some else used automatic translators, and there's others who read summaries and then browsed this forum to fill the gaps.

If you sum them all it makes the majority of the active users of this board.

Lenyo · 2010-06-18, 13:54

An automatic translator? How would you go about that awhilst playing an Umineko game? I'm curious...

Kitsu · 2010-06-18, 14:06

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An automatic translator? How would you go about that awhilst playing an Umineko game? I'm curious...

You use a text hooker programm and then something like ATLAS. So you have the japanese text in a little window beside the game and the translation. You look back and forth while playing.

It is bearable as soon as you get used to it and sometime it makes it easier to translate it for yourself. It is a matter of taste, I guess.

Kylon99 · 2010-06-18, 14:14

I use a program called Translation Aggregator 0.2.4. You also need AGTH (Another Good Text Hooker) which is the program that actually hooks into the program and copies the text to the clipboard. Translation Aggregator then takes the sentence and parses it up with lookups to EDICT. It also has some other panels to send the translation to Google or Babelfish... although those aren't very good most of the time. They are good for entertainment value though. 8)

While the program is very useful, I found that if you could read most of the Japanese already then it ends up slowing you back down. Also you'll spend most of the game looking at the Translation Aggregator rather than the game itself.

Laserworm · 2010-06-18, 14:16

It isn't as easy as it sounds though. Most of the time the translations are terrible. "The eight castles starred at me"

That was one of the translated lines

Kylon99 · 2010-06-18, 14:23

Yes, technically the panel that does the dictionary lookup is the most useful. The sentence remains in Japanese so it requires that you know how to read it, grammatically speaking.

Especially with a game like Umineko, relying on those full translations into English will probably screw you up. 8)

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Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	It is very unlikely that the when they cry series will stop. While Ryuukishi himself works in other projects, the other people at 07expansion do not. So even in the case they abandon the "when they cry" title, there will be another sound novel project, else the 07expansion group will have to shut down. __________________

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moichispa Endless witch Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 34	They said that it would be ended for this week I don't think they will give a more detailed report for sure . At this point it is better let then work that asking them to gives reports everyday cause the time they spend doing it will not be spent on umineko __________________

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Renall BUY MY BOOK!!! Join Date: May 2009	Bear in mind ep6 is going to take a lot of editing. It's one of the touchiest episodes so far, so just finishing the translation doesn't mean the editing is done. I think last time there was a status report it noted a lot of editing work had been done, but don't jump the gun. Believe me, you want them to triple-check this one. __________________ Redaction of the Golden Witch I submit that a murder was committed in 1996. This murder was a "copycat" crime inspired by our tales of 1986. This story is a redacted confession. Blog (VN DL) - YouTube Playlists Battler Solves The Logic Error

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Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	A few people did (I'm one of those), then some else used automatic translators, and there's others who read summaries and then browsed this forum to fill the gaps. If you sum them all it makes the majority of the active users of this board. __________________

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Lenyo Member Join Date: Jun 2010	So, to stop the off topic discussion... How's the progress on Episode 6 coming? I just replayed Ep5... And can't really wait much longer. XD Edit: And yes, I'm aware you said you would most likely have it by the week's end... I just wanted to check to see how it was coming along.

2010-06-18, 12:36	Link #4008
Laserworm Maelstorm-Fenrir Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: On Rokkenjima (I'm the 19th person) Age: 32	yeah, just let them work. Ep6 is full of double meanings, tricks, an many other stuff that needs to be carefully checked. I'm suddenly remembering Ryu07's quote. "Ep5 and beyond shouldn't be regarded as just hints, more like a part of the answer." But if one line is edited wrong, we might come to a different thought on the matter. Editing is very important.

2010-06-18, 12:59	Link #4009
Lenyo Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Hey, I understand that and all. It's not like I was belittling their work by asking for a status update. >_> And I still root for you, Witch Hunt! Onwards to glory!

2010-06-18, 13:05	Link #4011
Lenyo Member Join Date: Jun 2010	And uh, I'm telling you I DO understand... So, it's not like I'm being inconsiderate, I just wanted to ask "How's it?" You don't need to tell me twice that programming is difficult! Heck, I couldn't do what they're doing in five years!

2010-06-18, 13:40	Link #4013
Lenyo Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Yes... And I have been told this several times, and I apologize. I'm not looking to start an argument when I just got here. Ahaha... So who here has played Episode six in Japanese?

2010-06-18, 13:54	Link #4016
Lenyo Member Join Date: Jun 2010	An automatic translator? How would you go about that awhilst playing an Umineko game? I'm curious...

2010-06-18, 14:14	Link #4018
Kylon99 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Meta-Meta-Meta-Space	I use a program called Translation Aggregator 0.2.4. You also need AGTH (Another Good Text Hooker) which is the program that actually hooks into the program and copies the text to the clipboard. Translation Aggregator then takes the sentence and parses it up with lookups to EDICT. It also has some other panels to send the translation to Google or Babelfish... although those aren't very good most of the time. They are good for entertainment value though. 8) While the program is very useful, I found that if you could read most of the Japanese already then it ends up slowing you back down. Also you'll spend most of the game looking at the Translation Aggregator rather than the game itself.

2010-06-18, 14:16	Link #4019
Laserworm Maelstorm-Fenrir Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: On Rokkenjima (I'm the 19th person) Age: 32	It isn't as easy as it sounds though. Most of the time the translations are terrible. "The eight castles starred at me" That was one of the translated lines

2010-06-18, 14:23	Link #4020
Kylon99 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Meta-Meta-Meta-Space	Yes, technically the panel that does the dictionary lookup is the most useful. The sentence remains in Japanese so it requires that you know how to read it, grammatically speaking. Especially with a game like Umineko, relying on those full translations into English will probably screw you up. 8)