(L) Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka (LN)

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by pervypig

"Ultra soul" is the title of chapter 5 of Vol 11, not a skill. As of the epilogue of Vol 11, Bell's skills remain as they were.

Spoiler:

力量 (Strength)：SS1001

耐久 (Endurance)：SS1100

灵巧 (Spirit)：S989

敏捷 (Agility)：SSS1291

魔力 (Magic)：A877

幸运 (Luck)：H

异常抗性 (Willpower/Irregularity resistance)：H

Magic: Firebolt, Skills: Argonaut, Realis Phrase

Just curious, someone earlier mentioned it was a new skill.

[demonicslayer]

Originally Posted by Tachibana

Just curious, someone earlier mentioned it was a new skill.

They thought it was a new skill. Since it was a speculation before they actually read the volume.

[pervypig]

Rather than skills, I'm more interested in how leveling up works. Do you grow stronger after updating the status, or does the status-update just reflect what strength you currently have.

Spoiler:

In her spin-off, Ryu was training on her own every morning b4 work at the restaurant, but we know that her familia had been wiped out and goddess exiled from the city. This means that there's no way at all for her status to be updated, let alone level up. What then is the point in her training if her stats would remain the same? In the case of Feros/Felts the skeleton mage Philosopher, at least he no longer has any flesh that can be updated on. But it's kinda pointless to me to keep training when there's no more status to be gained without status updates.

Basically, if updating is absolutely necessary for strength to increase, adventurers are better off bringing their gods/goddesses down into the dungeon to do instant updating after every battle. I mean, it'd be dumb to go campaigning for 2 wks in the deep levels with the same status. Also, it's not as if the dungeon immediately notices the existence of gods/goddesses inside it. Hestia and Hermes were inside it for more than 2 days b4 Hestia triggered the dungeon off with her Arcanum.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by pervypig

Rather than skills, I'm more interested in how leveling up works. Do you grow stronger after updating the status, or does the status-update just reflect what strength you currently have.

Spoiler:

In her spin-off, Ryu was training on her own every morning b4 work at the restaurant, but we know that her familia had been wiped out and goddess exiled from the city. This means that there's no way at all for her status to be updated, let alone level up. What then is the point in her training if her stats would remain the same? In the case of Feros/Felts the skeleton mage Philosopher, at least he no longer has any flesh that can be updated on. But it's kinda pointless to me to keep training when there's no more status to be gained without status updates.

Basically, if updating is absolutely necessary for strength to increase, adventurers are better off bringing their gods/goddesses down into the dungeon to do instant updating after every battle. I mean, it'd be dumb to go campaigning for 2 wks in the deep levels with the same status. Also, it's not as if the dungeon immediately notices the existence of gods/goddesses inside it. Hestia and Hermes were inside it for more than 2 days b4 Hestia triggered the dungeon off with her Arcanum.

The former. Status alone doesn't make you a good fighter. Just like being able to do a hundred push-ups doesn't make you a martial artist. Technique and skill are stuff you have to get on your own.

Gods would be attacked by monsters and if their familia can't protect them then they'd be forced to use their arcanum to save themselves, which would violate their pact forcing them to return to heaven and taking their grace with them which would then leave their familia powerless to fight the irregular boss monster that spawned in response to the use of arcanum.

[demonicslayer]

Originally Posted by pervypig

Rather than skills, I'm more interested in how leveling up works. Do you grow stronger after updating the status, or does the status-update just reflect what strength you currently have.

Like what Bakato said. The updates must come first before becoming stronger. If you recall the anime, manga or LN, Hestia updated Bell's status before the battle against Silverback, Black Goliath and half way during the mission to save the Xenos.

Second, your point about bringing goddess along with them in dungeon exploring is pointless as the increase in stats for most people are so low that it makes not much of differences. A few points of increase doesn't make much differences after a day of crazy grinding. Most people can't even increase their stats more than 10 points per stat in a day of grinding. I recall that there was mention that even Loki's familia only get around 10-20 points increment after their deep dungeon exploration. Bell is the only exception which is why Hestia kept updating his stats half way into battle or before battle because he increment is insane. Besides the spawn of irregular monster, most familia aren't exactly capable of protecting themselves if facing too many monsters. Bringing along goddess would be adding a greater risk and got annihilated in the process. This is why adventurers mortality is high.

[bakato]

I'm reading the latest volume 7 and spoilers haven't quite emphasized how much Bell's new luck is really giving him an easy time. I'll be surprised if Hestia's debt doesn't go poof in the near future.

[pervypig]

^ lol read the ryu spinoff for more info about bell's infamous luck.

Spoiler:

Basically, he wins the roulette at every strike...

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by bakato

I'm reading the latest volume 7 and spoilers haven't quite emphasized how much Bell's new luck is really giving him an easy time. I'll be surprised if Hestia's debt doesn't go poof in the near future.

I'd hardly call what happened to Bell in Volume 7 him having an "easy time". The good and bad luck seemed basically evened out to me.

[EvI]

After the fight between Aiz and Bell (i don't know if you can call that a fight...) and Bete left Aiz alone, what did she metioned?

[Dual Blades]

Originally Posted by bakato

I'm reading the latest volume 7 and spoilers haven't quite emphasized how much Bell's new luck is really giving him an easy time. I'll be surprised if Hestia's debt doesn't go poof in the near future.

I think most if not all of Hestia's debt has been cleared after Vol 6's war game earnings.

[demonicslayer]

Originally Posted by Dual Blades

I think most if not all of Hestia's debt has been cleared after Vol 6's war game earnings.

Nope. The war game provided Hestia with substantial amount of gold which she used to renovate the Apollo's mansion. So, she still owe 200 million to Hephaestus. I think her contract with Hephaestus was 35 years of working with her. If she had paid even half of her debts, Hestia familia wouldn't be having trouble recruiting members.

Originally Posted by EvI

After the fight between Aiz and Bell (i don't know if you can call that a fight...) and Bete left Aiz alone, what did she metioned?

It wasn't mentioned. The book just mentioned that she murmured to herself. My guess probably: This girl is so lucky.

[pervypig]

^ nah, ima sure its something of the form: I waaaaan my wrabbbit baaaack!!!

[Windsgrace]

So...when people are after bell its wabbit hunting season?

[EvI]

Originally Posted by demonicslayer

It wasn't mentioned. The book just mentioned that she murmured to herself. My guess probably: This girl is so lucky.

So we gotta wait Sword Oratoria to know, guess the author did on purpose

[DerDoppelganger]

Originally Posted by Tachibana

I heard that Bell got some new ability called "Ultra Soul."

Is there any information on this ability?

Ultra Soul! is the title of volume XI, chapter V, but also the name of a song by the Japanese hard rock band, B'z, whose lyrics perfectly describe Bell's situation, with his recent stagnation and renewed determination in the volume's epilogue.

Spoiler for Lyrics:

To what extent should we work hard and for whom? We understand perfectly but our determination wavers

It's always the result that catches our attention, not allowing us to enjoy this moment—so dizzy...

Everything's not a dream, not this nor that—open the door with those hands of yours If you wanna be blessed, discover what sadness is and go cry on your own And then that ultra soul will shine!

So you think you've already uncovered your limits? Is that fine for you? If this keeps up, it'll all end without a scratch

The most important person to you, see—they're always looking at you, I can tell

Everything's not a dream, not this nor that—so hold your head high at once If you wanna be blessed, go and embrace that endless pain And then that ultra soul will fight!

After being toyed with by hope and disappointment, to excel out of this training... Do it, Do it, Do it, Do it!

Everything's not a dream, not this nor that—so hold your head high at once If you wanna be blessed, find out what happiness is and spread it about

Everything's very real, even this and that—so run wild right in the middle of all this And then that ultra soul will soar!

ultra soul!

[demonicslayer]

Btw, is there any explanation as to the job/ responsibility of Greater Gods/ Elder Gods such as Uranus, Zeus and Hera? Is there any other gods fallen to this category that were not mentioned here?

Lastly, I noticed the author seemed to used gods/ legends from Hinduism, Shinto, Roman, Greeks, Egyptian and Norse, but I think I never seen him using gods/ legends from Buddhism, Taoism (except Nazha), Sumerian etc. Seemed like he knows those Hindu, Shinto, Roman, Greeks and Norse better.

[pervypig]

Ishtar is Sumerian, though that's about the only one of the lot I recognize. Arguably, Nazha is also Hindu, since Buddhism does not really have a pantheon of gods (most if not all of their gods are derived from Hinduism from which their Indian origins stems). The Taoist pantheon is again a marriage of Hindu/Buddhist pantheon and local folklore including ancient heroes such as Guan-Di (Guan Yu from Three Kingdoms) or even Confucian (dun laugh, the Chinese worship everything from their ancestors to Sun Wokong, which arguably is Hanuman from Ramayana, yet again an Indian legend - you supposedly can see the causeway the Monkey transformed into linking India to Sri Lanka). I'd laugh my ass off if he put Guan-Di or Sun Wokong inside Danmachi though... Also there is actually pretty little references to the Mayan religions, which I'm guessing is due to lack of knowledge in those areas.

[demonicslayer]

Ah... Ishtar.... forgotten about her Sumerian origin since I skip the volume without managing to finish it. I think Nazha in Danmachi might have actually come from Hinduism since it was implied that Nalakūvara aka Nazha is a trickster. Taoism's Nazha (not exactly Buddhism) is slightly different in personality albeit derived from Hinduism. As later on, Buddhism and Taoism is integrated under one religion in ancient China to prevent battle between both religions.

Buddhism doesn't actually have many so called goddesses mentioned and as you said many share the same goddesses with Hinduism but in different names although there are some which are unique to itself.

Confusionism has no actual gods. Most of the gods in Chinese mythology are based on Taoism, Hinduism and Buddhism. Guan Di (Guan yu) is deitified by locals and are classified under Mahayana Buddhism (chinese buddhism) rather than the orthodox Buddhism.

[Tri-ring]

Originally Posted by demonicslayer

Buddhism doesn't actually have many so called goddesses mentioned and as you said many share the same goddesses with Hinduism but in different names although there are some which are unique to itself.

Based on which school (Mahāyāna Buddhism or Thevraada Buddhism） you get a different count.

For Theravada Buddhism there are no gods not even buddha himself. The religion is based on how to remove oneself from reincarnation to step into Nirvana.

[demonicslayer]

Originally Posted by Tri-ring

Based on which school (Mahāyāna Buddhism or Thevraada Buddhism） you get a different count.

For Theravada Buddhism there are no gods not even buddha himself. The religion is based on how to remove oneself from reincarnation to step into Nirvana.

Actually, they have deities / god/ goddess, but they don't have GOD. Buddhism doesn't have any creator God. Theravada's gods/ deities were mentioned a number of times in various scripture but Theravada usually don't pray to them. Commonly know gods in Theravada are the Sakka ( Jade Emperor in Taoism. Sometimes refer as Indra although some disagreed ), Brahma Sahampati (The Elder Brahma), Devaputra-māra (The god who tried to astray the Buddha ), Yama ( The god of underworld ) and etc. They are rarely mentioned since Buddhism is not exactly into gods. Mahayana Buddhism is slightly different and was later integrated into Chinese culture as it coexisted with Taoism and Confusionism. So, Mahayana has more deities.

Well, hope that clarified the differences. So, back to my previous question. Besides Uranus, Zeus and Hera as Elder Gods, there are no mention of their responsibility and other Elder Gods?