(L) Seirei Gensouki: Spirit Chronicles

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by jagt

Right now I'm in the middle of Takahisa's justice drivel, and oh boy how I want him to just shut his freaking idealist trap up with a kick to the face. Everyone thinks this guy didn't stop looking at reality until he saw that Miharu prefered Rio but I really think he stopped doing it the moment he was summoned.

So he's become Kouki level dumb?

[jagt]

Originally Posted by NAJ P. Jackson

So he's become Kouki level dumb?

Kouki isn't at his level, he was never even remotely close to fall this low. Kouki refused to kill and to admit it might be necessary to do it when there is no other option, but he admitted the necessity of self-defense or the use of force in certain situations. Kouki refused to kill but he wouldn't hesitate to use the force to protect himself when attacked, in fact he has a long history of getting into fights with delinquents for protecting someone. But the damn Takahisa is just saying whatever trash he wants about people who makes the decision to fight for protecting themselves and/or their loved ones to take the focus away from the fact that he has no courage for doing what it has to be done and when it has to be done.

[tsunade666]

So become worse than trash. Takatrash isn't eenough to describe him? Is losing the memory of Rio did something good or bad? Did he become more insane?

[jagt]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

So become worse than trash. Takatrash isn't eenough to describe him? Is losing the memory of Rio did something good or bad? Did he become more insane?

Takahisa isn't being Takatrash when Miharu is concerned anymore. But when the other sensible topic, if killing in self-sefense is justified or not, he goes back to his self from after the duel with Rio.

Spoiler for Takahisa:

Satsuki tells Takahisa that enough of that, that he might be worrying about her but her decision won’t change. Takahisa tries to persuade Satsuki again but she tells him that she will trust in François as long as he is the king and that if the hero of ice were to attack the Galarc Kingdom for her it wouldn’t be someone else’s problem. Takahisa asks Satsuki if she will fight if the hero of ice attacks. Satsuki says she will, that if she thinks it won’t do if she doesn’t fight she will fight. Takahisa asks why. Satsuki says that because if the hero of ice attacks it won’t be someone else’s problem, that if she is defeated the next in line would be the castle. Takahisa says that certainly it isn’t someone else’s problem but that he doesn’t think that is a reason for them to fight. Satsuki asks Takahisa if he won’t fight when Centostella’s castle is attacked by some enemy. Takahisa says that even if she puts an example so extreme of something that didn’t happened yet… Satsuki tells Takahisa that by the time it happens it is too late already, that it isn’t an extreme example either, that the hero of ice already used his power in Rodania, a lot of people died and Christina and Flora had to run away with their lives.

Takahisa asks Satsuki if it wouldn’t become a situation where they have to point their powers at other people, that if they use their powers people will easily die and be killed, that he dislikes that, that something like killing people in retaliation is too barbaric. Satsuki says she understands, she asks Takahisa if he won’t fight because he doesn’t want to kill people. Takahisa asks if it isn’t obvious. Satsuki says that it is, that even herself doesn’t want to kill people, that she doesn’t fight because she likes it, then she asks Takahisa who is going to protect them if they don’t protect themselves, she tells Takahisa that if they don’t protect themselves they won’t be able to do something like living peacefully. Takahisa says that peace earned killing people and piling up sins has no worth, that if both sides fight without taking a step back the fight won’t end until one of the two is totally annihilated. Satsuki says that precisely those words are the extreme ones, that peace can’t exist without power, that they need power as a dissuasion if they want to live without having to kill people.

Hiroaki calls out to Takahisa and tells him to imagine a situation where there are ten people and ten weapons inside a room, he is one of them, six people are proper people he gets along with but the other three are selfish humans. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what will he do if they use those weapons to threaten him and the other six. Takahisa asks what about that new extreme example. Hiroaki tells him that enough of that and to answer. Takahisa says that there are laws called rules, that it isn’t a matter of what he will do, that normal people won’t realize those criminal acts. Hiroaki tells Takahisa that unfortunately in the world there are also idiots who will ignore the law, he asks Takahisa what will he do if those fellows take a weapon and attack him. Takahisa says that before it comes to that he would try to resolve things talking, Takahisa also asks if it isn’t fine to just leave that closed space. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what will he do if the three armed ones say that they won’t let them escape. Takahisa says he will convince them. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what if he can’t persuade them. Takahisa says he won’t give up and that he will persuade them till the end.

Hiroaki asks Takahisa if he is for real, he tells him that the guys will probably get angry and kill him, he asks Takahisa if isn’t like telling them to to do as they please if he won’t resist even then, he asks Takahisa if he will still stick to just convince the guys if there is a girl he likes in the room and they try to put their hands on her, he tells Takahisa that Satsuki and François are saying that they need to have weapons too so the three armed ones can’t do as they please, that they are taking the weapons for protecting what is important for them and that he also agrees with that. Takahisa asks if wouldn’t be precisely at that time when there would be useless sacrifices because it became a kill or be killed, that it is idiotic to take a tool to fight for the sake of avoiding a fight, that there should the option of not fighting too. Hiroaki insists on their actions being for the sake of avoiding those useless sacrifices but gives up mid-sentence, he says it is useless, that Takahisa isn’t looking at reality, he asks if he isn’t just trash that doesn’t want to dirt his hands. Takahisa asks Hiroaki if he isn’t ignoring reality too, that he is making light of people dying and not seeing people as people. Hiroaki tells Takahisa that that is just his impression and stops mid-sentence, he admits that he has been also just telling his impression until now, he asks François if it isn’t fine to leave Takahisa out because his sense of valors doesn’t match theirs.

François says he has had no intention of forcing anyone to participate from the beginning, that he just asked them to use one attack with their full power because it became necessary to measure the heroes’ power, that the dissuasion is a matter for the future, that they don’t need to make a decision in the spot, then he asks Liliana about her opinion since Takahisa is Centostella’s hero. Liliana looks emotionlessly at Takahisa and says after a pause that she isn’t either in a position to force Takahisa’s opinion one way. François says he understands. Hiroaki says that then it is decided that he and Satsuki will participate and asks Masato what will he do. Masato says he will cooperate too. Takahisa is against it. Masato tells Takahisa that he doesn’t have to take orders from him, that after listening at the conversation he reached the same conclusion that Satsuki. Takahisa asks Masato if he properly understood the situation, he tells him that he might have to kill someone. Masato tells Takahisa that that isn’t the important part, that it is a matter of how to resist if the hero of ice attacks another country, he asks him what about staying silent if he has no intention of fighting, that is cowardly to criticize the ones fighting when he is just looking from a safe place and despite him being protected by his allies. Takahisa says that it should be everyone’s freedom to say what they want to say, not something Masato can lecture him about, that it is a matter of the people who fight being right or not, that that leads to totalitarianism.

Masato says he knows nothing of that, that no one has talked about the people who fight being right or wrong or about totalitarianism, that they are talking about how to defend themselves from an enemy that came to attack them, that if they are followed until the place where they are they will have to fight no matter what and are talking about what to do so it doesn’t come to that. Hiroaki calls out to Satsuki and asks her if Takahisa and Masato are siblings. Satsuki tells him that they are. Hiroaki asks what is going on with them, that the little brother is the one with the head in its place. Takahisa glares offendidly at Hiroaki. Hiroaki asks Takahisa if he isn’t the totalitary one, if he isn’t trying to force his opinion about not fighting onto Satsuki and Masato. Takahisa denies it, he says he is just… Hiroaki tells Takahisa that unlike him Satsuki and Masato have never tried to force him to fight even once and Takahisa loses his words, he glares at Hiroaki with clenched teeth.

[shadowarc]

Originally Posted by jagt

Takahisa isn't being Takatrash when Miharu is concerned anymore. But when the other sensible topic, if killing in self-sefense is justified or not, he goes back to his self from after the duel with Rio.

Spoiler for Takahisa:

Satsuki tells Takahisa that enough of that, that he might be worrying about her but her decision won’t change. Takahisa tries to persuade Satsuki again but she tells him that she will trust in François as long as he is the king and that if the hero of ice were to attack the Galarc Kingdom for her it wouldn’t be someone else’s problem. Takahisa asks Satsuki if she will fight if the hero of ice attacks. Satsuki says she will, that if she thinks it won’t do if she doesn’t fight she will fight. Takahisa asks why. Satsuki says that because if the hero of ice attacks it won’t be someone else’s problem, that if she is defeated the next in line would be the castle. Takahisa says that certainly it isn’t someone else’s problem but that he doesn’t think that is a reason for them to fight. Satsuki asks Takahisa if he won’t fight when Centostella’s castle is attacked by some enemy. Takahisa says that even if she puts an example so extreme of something that didn’t happened yet… Satsuki tells Takahisa that by the time it happens it is too late already, that it isn’t an extreme example either, that the hero of ice already used his power in Rodania, a lot of people died and Christina and Flora had to run away with their lives.

Takahisa asks Satsuki if it wouldn’t become a situation where they have to point their powers at other people, that if they use their powers people will easily die and be killed, that he dislikes that, that something like killing people in retaliation is too barbaric. Satsuki says she understands, she asks Takahisa if he won’t fight because he doesn’t want to kill people. Takahisa asks if it isn’t obvious. Satsuki says that it is, that even herself doesn’t want to kill people, that she doesn’t fight because she likes it, then she asks Takahisa who is going to protect them if they don’t protect themselves, she tells Takahisa that if they don’t protect themselves they won’t be able to do something like living peacefully. Takahisa says that peace earned killing people and piling up sins has no worth, that if both sides fight without taking a step back the fight won’t end until one of the two is totally annihilated. Satsuki says that precisely those words are the extreme ones, that peace can’t exist without power, that they need power as a dissuasion if they want to live without having to kill people.

Hiroaki calls out to Takahisa and tells him to imagine a situation where there are ten people and ten weapons inside a room, he is one of them, six people are proper people he gets along with but the other three are selfish humans. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what will he do if they use those weapons to threaten him and the other six. Takahisa asks what about that new extreme example. Hiroaki tells him that enough of that and to answer. Takahisa says that there are laws called rules, that it isn’t a matter of what he will do, that normal people won’t realize those criminal acts. Hiroaki tells Takahisa that unfortunately in the world there are also idiots who will ignore the law, he asks Takahisa what will he do if those fellows take a weapon and attack him. Takahisa says that before it comes to that he would try to resolve things talking, Takahisa also asks if it isn’t fine to just leave that closed space. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what will he do if the three armed ones say that they won’t let them escape. Takahisa says he will convince them. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what if he can’t persuade them. Takahisa says he won’t give up and that he will persuade them till the end.

Hiroaki asks Takahisa if he is for real, he tells him that the guys will probably get angry and kill him, he asks Takahisa if isn’t like telling them to to do as they please if he won’t resist even then, he asks Takahisa if he will still stick to just convince the guys if there is a girl he likes in the room and they try to put their hands on her, he tells Takahisa that Satsuki and François are saying that they need to have weapons too so the three armed ones can’t do as they please, that they are taking the weapons for protecting what is important for them and that he also agrees with that. Takahisa asks if wouldn’t be precisely at that time when there would be useless sacrifices because it became a kill or be killed, that it is idiotic to take a tool to fight for the sake of avoiding a fight, that there should the option of not fighting too. Hiroaki insists on their actions being for the sake of avoiding those useless sacrifices but gives up mid-sentence, he says it is useless, that Takahisa isn’t looking at reality, he asks if he isn’t just trash that doesn’t want to dirt his hands. Takahisa asks Hiroaki if he isn’t ignoring reality too, that he is making light of people dying and not seeing people as people. Hiroaki tells Takahisa that that is just his impression and stops mid-sentence, he admits that he has been also just telling his impression until now, he asks François if it isn’t fine to leave Takahisa out because his sense of valors doesn’t match theirs.

François says he has had no intention of forcing anyone to participate from the beginning, that he just asked them to use one attack with their full power because it became necessary to measure the heroes’ power, that the dissuasion is a matter for the future, that they don’t need to make a decision in the spot, then he asks Liliana about her opinion since Takahisa is Centostella’s hero. Liliana looks emotionlessly at Takahisa and says after a pause that she isn’t either in a position to force Takahisa’s opinion one way. François says he understands. Hiroaki says that then it is decided that he and Satsuki will participate and asks Masato what will he do. Masato says he will cooperate too. Takahisa is against it. Masato tells Takahisa that he doesn’t have to take orders from him, that after listening at the conversation he reached the same conclusion that Satsuki. Takahisa asks Masato if he properly understood the situation, he tells him that he might have to kill someone. Masato tells Takahisa that that isn’t the important part, that it is a matter of how to resist if the hero of ice attacks another country, he asks him what about staying silent if he has no intention of fighting, that is cowardly to criticize the ones fighting when he is just looking from a safe place and despite him being protected by his allies. Takahisa says that it should be everyone’s freedom to say what they want to say, not something Masato can lecture him about, that it is a matter of the people who fight being right or not, that that leads to totalitarianism.

Masato says he knows nothing of that, that no one has talked about the people who fight being right or wrong or about totalitarianism, that they are talking about how to defend themselves from an enemy that came to attack them, that if they are followed until the place where they are they will have to fight no matter what and are talking about what to do so it doesn’t come to that. Hiroaki calls out to Satsuki and asks her if Takahisa and Masato are siblings. Satsuki tells him that they are. Hiroaki asks what is going on with them, that the little brother is the one with the head in its place. Takahisa glares offendidly at Hiroaki. Hiroaki asks Takahisa if he isn’t the totalitary one, if he isn’t trying to force his opinion about not fighting onto Satsuki and Masato. Takahisa denies it, he says he is just… Hiroaki tells Takahisa that unlike him Satsuki and Masato have never tried to force him to fight even once and Takahisa loses his words, he glares at Hiroaki with clenched teeth.

Yeah, he's definitely worse than Kouki (Main Story) was . He's actually transcended past being trash what should his title be now ? I really question just how he and Masato are siblings. He needs more than a beating like Kouki's case. Maybe being looked at in disgust by Miharu, being slashed down, nearly dying and maybe being burned to death will fix his head.

[midori-kun]

Wow, Takahisa’s saying the same thing a bunch of european countries were saying while Hitler was building up his armies… we all know how that turned out. Sadly, there really are people as naive and cowardly as him in the real world. That’s actually good in a way, gives the novel more realism in the diversity of the characters beliefs and personalities.
Also I’m glad to see Hiroaki growing, he’s a good guy in spite of his shenanigans.

[haseo0408]

My gods, you know a character is lost when Hiroaki is giving him moral lessons and making very good points! It reminds me of The Dark Tower Saga by Stephen King; in the early novels, Gunslinger Roland Deschain (he is from another world) tells his companions, that come from New York City of our world, that most people he has met in the city lack a survival instinct that all the people from his world must have and nurture if they want to live and survive in a world as dangerous as theirs, a world where life has very little value, Roland said that peace might have rotten them in a way. I think that´s part of the problem of Takahisa, he has lived in a country in peace, with a lifestyle with struggles, be financial, social, or any other kind.

Also, the little idiot has not once considered that the morality and culture of this new world he living in right now are very different from Earth and even if he has a distaste for how things work there he cannot just say it´s just beacause they not align with what he thinks it´s correct! Even so, all that crap he´s saying might work in an ideal world but humans are not perfectly rational beings, faaaaar from it, that way of thinking is going to get him and everyone around him killed.

[Lolilulz33]

I know this is a place for debating but do the differences between Kouki and Takahisa really matter ? They are both very naive and most of all and most despicable they use their values for personal gain : Kouki wants Hajime's harem and Takahisa wants Miharu.
Takahisa did not become sane, he just reverse back before meeting Haruto. Aishia stated if Haruto succeed to break God's rule there is a high probability Takahisa becomes crazy again.
The fire hero is thé most vulnerable for the takeover from the high spirit in his divine arms but Aishia and probably Celia will be there to handle the situation as Haruto and Sora are away.

[tsunade666]

Haruto and Sora are away? where did they go?

[Xan2341]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Haruto and Sora are away? where did they go?

Rio went to retrace Erika's steps to learn how she became so strong even though she didn't have any knowledge in spirit arts after watching the heroes demonstrate their current full power in Galarc's demonstration event. We the readers know it was due to her initial death, but she is the only hero so far to go through that so Rio will probably learn the truth. He also most likely will resolve the loose ends with Erika then too, burying her body, etc as he promised he would.

Rio also wants to start looking for clues on the rules and the divine war. So he will be moving by himself and Sora for awhile.

[tsunade666]

He leave Aishia behind? with Celia awakening ancient magic she had become strong. Is that why Celia is the one confronting Egoenji?

[Xan2341]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

He leave Aishia behind? with Celia awakening ancient magic she had become strong. Is that why Celia is the one confronting Egoenji?

Celia's fight is more so for herself. She is attempting to prove that Aishia and Rio no longer need to intervene and subsequently risk their memories to save everyone. Celia knows everything Rio, Sora and Aishia currently know now. She didn't tell anyone she was going other than Aishia and Charlotte so she will probably get a scolding when she returns to Galarc. Assuming Aishia doesn't have to intervene in the end. Fight conclusion is still unknown. Reiss also intentionally lured Celia out due to knowing Rio would have to come (and waste his masks), but was surprised when Celia started using her new powers and is now taking her seriously.

But yes, currently Aishia was left with the girls, Celia is off on her own right now in Beltrum to deliver the terms Christina provided to her father the king and its up in the air where Miharu will end up after the Centostella discussions conclude. Epilogue has some interesting foreshadowing...

My own opinion, I can see the author using the rules to have the girls develop on their own more (and heroes) without Rio coming in to save them. Rio will be off having his own battles, eventually I assume he will need Aishia too and that is why Celia is gearing up to be the main protector of the group for awhile. This also probably means the author is going to make the rules a longer drawn out plot piece. My take on it anyways.

[tsunade666]

Rio had become to strong for the normal enemies. He would probably need to deal with other transcenders and the enemy that was foreseen in the past.

The other girls should learn to stand on their own. I also liked last volume when Christina did the negotiations. She did great.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by jagt

Takahisa isn't being Takatrash when Miharu is concerned anymore. But when the other sensible topic, if killing in self-sefense is justified or not, he goes back to his self from after the duel with Rio.

Spoiler for Takahisa:

Satsuki tells Takahisa that enough of that, that he might be worrying about her but her decision won’t change. Takahisa tries to persuade Satsuki again but she tells him that she will trust in François as long as he is the king and that if the hero of ice were to attack the Galarc Kingdom for her it wouldn’t be someone else’s problem. Takahisa asks Satsuki if she will fight if the hero of ice attacks. Satsuki says she will, that if she thinks it won’t do if she doesn’t fight she will fight. Takahisa asks why. Satsuki says that because if the hero of ice attacks it won’t be someone else’s problem, that if she is defeated the next in line would be the castle. Takahisa says that certainly it isn’t someone else’s problem but that he doesn’t think that is a reason for them to fight. Satsuki asks Takahisa if he won’t fight when Centostella’s castle is attacked by some enemy. Takahisa says that even if she puts an example so extreme of something that didn’t happened yet… Satsuki tells Takahisa that by the time it happens it is too late already, that it isn’t an extreme example either, that the hero of ice already used his power in Rodania, a lot of people died and Christina and Flora had to run away with their lives.

Takahisa asks Satsuki if it wouldn’t become a situation where they have to point their powers at other people, that if they use their powers people will easily die and be killed, that he dislikes that, that something like killing people in retaliation is too barbaric. Satsuki says she understands, she asks Takahisa if he won’t fight because he doesn’t want to kill people. Takahisa asks if it isn’t obvious. Satsuki says that it is, that even herself doesn’t want to kill people, that she doesn’t fight because she likes it, then she asks Takahisa who is going to protect them if they don’t protect themselves, she tells Takahisa that if they don’t protect themselves they won’t be able to do something like living peacefully. Takahisa says that peace earned killing people and piling up sins has no worth, that if both sides fight without taking a step back the fight won’t end until one of the two is totally annihilated. Satsuki says that precisely those words are the extreme ones, that peace can’t exist without power, that they need power as a dissuasion if they want to live without having to kill people.

Hiroaki calls out to Takahisa and tells him to imagine a situation where there are ten people and ten weapons inside a room, he is one of them, six people are proper people he gets along with but the other three are selfish humans. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what will he do if they use those weapons to threaten him and the other six. Takahisa asks what about that new extreme example. Hiroaki tells him that enough of that and to answer. Takahisa says that there are laws called rules, that it isn’t a matter of what he will do, that normal people won’t realize those criminal acts. Hiroaki tells Takahisa that unfortunately in the world there are also idiots who will ignore the law, he asks Takahisa what will he do if those fellows take a weapon and attack him. Takahisa says that before it comes to that he would try to resolve things talking, Takahisa also asks if it isn’t fine to just leave that closed space. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what will he do if the three armed ones say that they won’t let them escape. Takahisa says he will convince them. Hiroaki asks Takahisa what if he can’t persuade them. Takahisa says he won’t give up and that he will persuade them till the end.

Hiroaki asks Takahisa if he is for real, he tells him that the guys will probably get angry and kill him, he asks Takahisa if isn’t like telling them to to do as they please if he won’t resist even then, he asks Takahisa if he will still stick to just convince the guys if there is a girl he likes in the room and they try to put their hands on her, he tells Takahisa that Satsuki and François are saying that they need to have weapons too so the three armed ones can’t do as they please, that they are taking the weapons for protecting what is important for them and that he also agrees with that. Takahisa asks if wouldn’t be precisely at that time when there would be useless sacrifices because it became a kill or be killed, that it is idiotic to take a tool to fight for the sake of avoiding a fight, that there should the option of not fighting too. Hiroaki insists on their actions being for the sake of avoiding those useless sacrifices but gives up mid-sentence, he says it is useless, that Takahisa isn’t looking at reality, he asks if he isn’t just trash that doesn’t want to dirt his hands. Takahisa asks Hiroaki if he isn’t ignoring reality too, that he is making light of people dying and not seeing people as people. Hiroaki tells Takahisa that that is just his impression and stops mid-sentence, he admits that he has been also just telling his impression until now, he asks François if it isn’t fine to leave Takahisa out because his sense of valors doesn’t match theirs.

François says he has had no intention of forcing anyone to participate from the beginning, that he just asked them to use one attack with their full power because it became necessary to measure the heroes’ power, that the dissuasion is a matter for the future, that they don’t need to make a decision in the spot, then he asks Liliana about her opinion since Takahisa is Centostella’s hero. Liliana looks emotionlessly at Takahisa and says after a pause that she isn’t either in a position to force Takahisa’s opinion one way. François says he understands. Hiroaki says that then it is decided that he and Satsuki will participate and asks Masato what will he do. Masato says he will cooperate too. Takahisa is against it. Masato tells Takahisa that he doesn’t have to take orders from him, that after listening at the conversation he reached the same conclusion that Satsuki. Takahisa asks Masato if he properly understood the situation, he tells him that he might have to kill someone. Masato tells Takahisa that that isn’t the important part, that it is a matter of how to resist if the hero of ice attacks another country, he asks him what about staying silent if he has no intention of fighting, that is cowardly to criticize the ones fighting when he is just looking from a safe place and despite him being protected by his allies. Takahisa says that it should be everyone’s freedom to say what they want to say, not something Masato can lecture him about, that it is a matter of the people who fight being right or not, that that leads to totalitarianism.

Masato says he knows nothing of that, that no one has talked about the people who fight being right or wrong or about totalitarianism, that they are talking about how to defend themselves from an enemy that came to attack them, that if they are followed until the place where they are they will have to fight no matter what and are talking about what to do so it doesn’t come to that. Hiroaki calls out to Satsuki and asks her if Takahisa and Masato are siblings. Satsuki tells him that they are. Hiroaki asks what is going on with them, that the little brother is the one with the head in its place. Takahisa glares offendidly at Hiroaki. Hiroaki asks Takahisa if he isn’t the totalitary one, if he isn’t trying to force his opinion about not fighting onto Satsuki and Masato. Takahisa denies it, he says he is just… Hiroaki tells Takahisa that unlike him Satsuki and Masato have never tried to force him to fight even once and Takahisa loses his words, he glares at Hiroaki with clenched teeth.

Wow. Even Hiroaki had to talk down Takatrash for his stupidity

[InfinityDragonGod]

I wonder if Takahisa is so strongly against killing is because he's subconsciously connecting killing with Haruto. When they last met, Takahisa kept on asserting Haruto is a criminal and evil because he killed someone before and Haruto is trying to kill Lucius for revenge. Like Satsuki said in earlier volume, Takahisa wanted to drag Haruto down because he wanted to feel he was better for Miharu. He may not realize that these "ideals" are just to justify himself to be what's best for Miharu and impress her or something. Since nobody during that meeting remembers Haruto, nobody realizes this and calls out on him for that.

During Hiroaki's hypothetical situation, Takahisa claimed he could convince the three people to not do criminal acts by talking. I was hoping for someone to call him out on that. Someone would say, "If talking could persuade someone, then you wouldn't have committed the crime of attempting to kidnap Miharu." Liliana tried so hard to persuade him and he never listened. By this point of the story, you can tell that she seems to have given up on him. She probably wants to say that she prefers Masato as her country's hero instead of him.

It's a shame that nobody talked about how Earth already had plenty of wars and the peace of today is only because of that. Though the world still has war occuring, but they don't want to talk about that. Heck Earth had two world wars.

Speaking of Kouki from Arifureta, I wonder how Takahisa feels about the idea of killing monsters. Kouki before character development didn't to have no problems with that because they have no intelligence. Would Takahisa fight if there was a demon/monster invasion? If he had been in a room with three goblins or something holding weapons, what would he do?

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by InfinityDragonGod

I wonder if Takahisa is so strongly against killing is because he's subconsciously connecting killing with Haruto. When they last met, Takahisa kept on asserting Haruto is a criminal and evil because he killed someone before and Haruto is trying to kill Lucius for revenge. Like Satsuki said in earlier volume, Takahisa wanted to drag Haruto down because he wanted to feel he was better for Miharu. He may not realize that these "ideals" are just to justify himself to be what's best for Miharu and impress her or something. Since nobody during that meeting remembers Haruto, nobody realizes this and calls out on him for that.

During Hiroaki's hypothetical situation, Takahisa claimed he could convince the three people to not do criminal acts by talking. I was hoping for someone to call him out on that. Someone would say, "If talking could persuade someone, then you wouldn't have committed the crime of attempting to kidnap Miharu." Liliana tried so hard to persuade him and he never listened. By this point of the story, you can tell that she seems to have given up on him. She probably wants to say that she prefers Masato as her country's hero instead of him.

It's a shame that nobody talked about how Earth already had plenty of wars and the peace of today is only because of that. Though the world still has war occuring, but they don't want to talk about that. Heck Earth had two world wars.

Speaking of Kouki from Arifureta, I wonder how Takahisa feels about the idea of killing monsters. Kouki before character development didn't to have no problems with that because they have no intelligence. Would Takahisa fight if there was a demon/monster invasion? If he had been in a room with three goblins or something holding weapons, what would he do?

I´m curious about that as well, all Heroes have had combat experience so far, even Hiroaki has seen battle, he sucks but that´s not the point. Takahisa on the other has never fought anyone, a monster, or people since coming to this world; the closest we could get was when he attacked Rio back in volume 10, makes me wonder how he would fair in a combat situation with his life on the line.

[Roberto1]

some friends have been sending me spoilers on facebook, in addition to the ones you people have written here, and the truth is that I don't like the direction the story is taking, not even a little, I'm just waiting for jagt's summary to see if what I've been told it's true, if it's true I'm going to drop this novel for sure, my patience is exhausted.
a friend of mine recommended me "overlord", that novel is so much better than this one , I don't understand how a novel as bad as this one has come so far, seigensu only good vol is number 21, the rest is garbage.

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Originally Posted by Roberto1

some friends have been sending me spoilers on facebook, in addition to the ones you people have written here, and the truth is that I don't like the direction the story is taking, not even a little, I'm just waiting for jagt's summary to see if what I've been told it's true, if it's true I'm going to drop this novel for sure, my patience is exhausted.
a friend of mine recommended me "overlord", that novel is so much better than this one , I don't understand how a novel as bad as this one has come so far, seigensu only good vol is number 21, the rest is garbage.

What direction in particular do you see the story taking that’s giving you red flags? Genuinely curious.

[tsunade666]

If your friend is recommending overlord then this novel would probably something you won't like if the genre of overlord is something you would like. Op cast doing whatever they like. Curbstomp battles. I don't like overlord that much story wise and I kinda like this story. Plotwise and character wise.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Wow I didn't think there are many who share my view on Overlord. I agree Overlord is overrated. The MC turning megalomaniac kinda turned me off. The Friends who recommended that are probably just into dark and edgy anime which is different genre from this one.

Originally Posted by Roberto1

some friends have been sending me spoilers on facebook, in addition to the ones you people have written here, and the truth is that I don't like the direction the story is taking, not even a little, I'm just waiting for jagt's summary to see if what I've been told it's true, if it's true I'm going to drop this novel for sure, my patience is exhausted.
a friend of mine recommended me "overlord", that novel is so much better than this one , I don't understand how a novel as bad as this one has come so far, seigensu only good vol is number 21, the rest is garbage.

Now I'm curious what spoilers you've been getting to turn you off the Novel.