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[jcdietz03]

Originally Posted by Psyco Diver

I like the fact their finally trying to inject some back story but I dunno, this series just isn't getting me. Its a shame it looks good animation and sound wise, the story is good on paper which is why I started watching it but I dunno maybe I expected to much?

It reminds me of Guilty Crown. Good production quality ruined by bad writing. It makes you think maybe Tycho of Penny Arcade is right when he stresses the importance of good writing.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by mergele

Spoiler for Things that made no sense in the last episode:

So these black market retrievers are retrieving Giftias shortly before their expireing date and then can't deal with a Wanderer?
A private security company, carrying real guns in public and sealing off an entire district? Ok, if you are going for the corporate controled future maybe, but still odd.
You want to retrieve Marcia before the RSec guys can because why again? They will kill her. You will... turn her off? Diffrence?
Why is Tho.. Sho.. the male main character so shocked about a gun that kills Giftias, he's been perfectly fine with Isla killing some of them and stood right beside her!
Since we are talking about that gun: It shoots something and it destroys Giftias like a virus, so I assume via software, but it fires a projectile so ...... WHAT THE FUCK? EMP fine. Electric bolt for overcharging them also fine. Some signal to activate self-destruct alright. But this is bolluks.
To the flashback: She said she would retrieve the dad and he turned into a wanderer like 10 secs later, there wasn't a Terminal Service Giftia around by that time, so what exactly would she have done diffrent? Btw. her goal was to kill him in the first place anyway, so whats the point?
And back to that sealed off area, how the heck did the kid get in?
Then in the end when MC wanted Marcia to grab his hand. Again with what goal? Her memorys would still keep vanishing, she may decide to take your hand now, but next second she might forget why she made that decision and break your arm. And how far was the next of these retrieval cars? Even if it was right outside the building it would be a long way there, especially since Isla couldn't walk on her own.

> Isn't that the same as kill him/her?

I think the difference is similar to-- which one you prefer;
Someone that you have emotional attachment died with your agreement or killed by people with guns instead?
Both ended up with 'bad ending', IMO it would be better through retrieval procedure since there's proper farewell compare to-- killed by guns.

> Why Tsukasa shocked when he receive the gun?

He's shocked not because it kill Giftia, he shocked because it could lead to worst case scenario where he can't fulfill his promise to Souta.
At the beginning of the episode, you could see Tsukasa put priority on "Bring her back", of course having the virus gun allowed would affect his decision;
Hence leading to him tried to approach Marcia by giving hand instead of using the gun, believing that he could solve the problem peacefully rather than kill her right there.

That's his character from the very start of this show, not to mention this is his first capture mission with killing weapon allowed for him.

> What's the difference in the flashback?

Err ... Rather than "No Terminal Service" case, I think that caused by Michiru running away from other spotters but Kazuki.
With Kazuki as the only person she know would solve the problem peacefully during that time, running away from other spotters is expected as we learns from other episode that Yamanobe's division is the only division that use peaceful approach to both Giftias and owners IIRC.

[mergele]

@Tactics Hmm, makes sense. I have to think about it.

[RaymondSageClark]

Finally this is getting nice, all that stupid comedy and bad jokes dropped. This series should be like this since episode 1.

but...

This is turning into psycho pass??? DAT dominator LOL.

[SeijiSensei]

I can't say I bought into the "human rights" rationale for Giftias not having a GPS locator. I thought the guy who took the "they are machines, after all" position had the stronger argument. The fact that they can "go Wanderer" makes being able to track them all the more important.

I also assumed Isla was at best seriously injured from the "gun" shot. She tries to get Tsukasa not to use the weapon because, I suspect, she knew she might be affected as well. Could she not tell the weapon was charging before she ran forward?

[Flower]

I have been thinking a little ... in this episode we are shown the existence of a "limiter" and that when Giftia go into "wanderer" mode it "auto-switches" off.

Others have asked why it is there in the first place, and the opinions given were mainly for use in emergency situations - where the Giftia had to save the owner.

I agree with this, but for me this implies that the Giftia while "normal" can consciously choose to remove the limiter.

It could be that here we finally have a clue as to why Isla's motor functions are also in decline - I would be willing to bet that she has switched off her limiter, particularly during her work with Kazuki previously. I would also guess that Giftia have a limited amount of time they can be in that state before it begins to take a toll on them physically and that Isla is such an example.

This would explain not only why she kept assuring Tsukasa that she would handle whatever came up with Marcia going into Wanderer mode - but it would also explain why at the last scene it showed Isla was not shown on the board to be "at work".

My guess (lots of guesses here) is that she removed her limiter, saved Souta somehow, Marcia got hit by Tsukasa's gun and then when she put the limiter back on the toll on her body was such that she was unable to go to work ... possibly either staying at her apartment or else in for repairs?

Also, some posts back it was mentioned that one possible scenario is that SIA did not create from scratch but rather discovered the Giftia technology (alien technology, forgotten civilization, whatever) and have thus far only been able to control it to a limited extent. I think this could indeed be an outside possibility....

[Psyco Diver]

Originally Posted by jcdietz03

It reminds me of Guilty Crown. Good production quality ruined by bad writing. It makes you think maybe Tycho of Penny Arcade is right when he stresses the importance of good writing.

While I liked Guilty Crown, the problem with that series is they seem to change writing and directing staff several times, so far PM is staying constant although were only 5 episodes in. I'm not dropping it because I see the potential for epicness but I've been burned by series with that kind of potential too

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Flower

...My guess (lots of guesses here) is that she removed her limiter, saved Souta somehow, Marcia got hit by Tsukasa's gun and then when she put the limiter back on the toll on her body was such that she was unable to go to work ... possibly either staying at her apartment or else in for repairs?....

The episode seemed to me to hint that she may have gotten in the line of fire and had her personality erased by Souta's shot at the other giftia.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

The episode seemed to me to hint that she may have gotten in the line of fire and had her personality erased by Souta's shot at the other giftia.

Yea, I can see him doing so, he is such a badass, first he located her, then broke through RSec barricades, so he could also terminate Marcia himself. But using his own gun.

About the cliffhanger, it's a bit of a weak cliffhanger if I can say, considering Isla's personality I don't know if we would see the difference.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Esclair

However, with the dangers of wanderers revealed in episode 5, it would be criminally negligent to allow Section One to continue to exist at all. You know why there haven't been many wanderer incidents? Because the other sections actually do their jobs to retrieve their Giftias. The previous wanderer incident was again, caused by the actions of Section One. It's shown that the CEO doesn't even care for his own son if he doesn't perform, so why is there an exception made for Section One when it entails so much risk? A few lines regarding what keeps Section One around at all would have been helpful to fill this plothole, but the writers can't even seem to manage that.

I think a bigger plot hole here is that SAI corp is letting retrieval cut so close to the Wanderer deadline. If Android Human Rights have something to do with that, then it's probably a matter of their own making, since it was probably SAI corp themselves that pushed for these laws, to make Giftias acceptable.

But why is Section One allowed to do whatever? I am not sure, but their actions are perfectly explainable if you consider them to be (android) human rights activists. It seems like most of their human team members have a deep emotional connection to Giftias. The problem is the show has focused so much on Section One and Giftia families that we haven't really got an outsider's perspective on the matter. I dare say even though there are rights in place for androids, most of society, especially those that don't deal with them, still doesn't see them as nothing more than objects. I think R Security and other Terminal Service Sections are far closer to the regular man on the street than Section One.

To call them irresponsible if you consider that it is their motivation to treat them like human beings is taking it out of context. Section One is a special case of people, but that's usually how it goes when society faces a new horizon.

If you've read any of my previous posts, you'll notice I was gung-ho on them being a gadget. But if their wiring does make them more biological than mechanical, then there's validity for them to exist, especially if they have such developed intelligence. That they turn into Wanderers was probably not the creator's design goal, but an unplanned consequence of their existence. It seems like SAI took the good with the bad and decided to control the bad.

[Anh_Minh]

It doesn't really matter how human Giftias are, Section 1 is still irresponsible. I'd say the same if, say, Giftias were actual human beings infected by a zombie virus that takes a few days to incubate. By all means, make their last moments as comfortable as possible. But don't give them the option of turning into wanderers.

[chaos_animagic]

Originally Posted by mergele

Spoiler for Things that made no sense in the last episode:

Since we are talking about that gun: It shoots something and it destroys Giftias like a virus, so I assume via software, but it fires a projectile so ...... WHAT THE FUCK? EMP fine. Electric bolt for overcharging them also fine. Some signal to activate self-destruct alright. But this is bolluks.

That + Flashback...

Spoiler:

in an age where they can make AI robots... they have no EMP gun or a simple Taser gun to short circuit? so they just shoots the dad in front of a young child... sure, I would love to see what would happen if this happened in RL and 5 police shoots someone's dad in front of their child with machine guns and their excuse was he went crazy...

and I still go back to my post... why... does Gifta's memories disappear in the first place? and why doesn't they even considered some sort of backup data? (like our world's cloud service with real time back ups so even if you crash out of no where it would still restore everything up until it crashes)

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It doesn't really matter how human Giftias are, Section 1 is still irresponsible. I'd say the same if, say, Giftias were actual human beings infected by a zombie virus that takes a few days to incubate. By all means, make their last moments as comfortable as possible. But don't give them the option of turning into wanderers.

It was a situation they couldn't control. Actually in both of the Wanderer cases. An unexpected element came into play and made a mess of things. Section One is human rights orientated, so they don't want to cut down the time Giftia families have together. You can call them irresponsible for cutting it close, but it is the rules that enable it. Why doesn't SAI simply say retrieval deadline is one month prior to Wanderer deadline? In such a scenario nobody would question Section One's responsibility. I think the main issue are those android rights laws, laws that SAI probably pushed for in the first place. So the real reason these situations arise is because SAI systematically doesn't take enough precaution, or they are prevented from doing so.

I wonder about the methodologies of other Sections. They still need a signature before they can retrieve the Giftia. How do they get owners to sign? Because only two accidents occurred in three years, it could be that Section One was just very unlucky. After all, both cases involved children as Giftia owners. The same thing could have happened to any other section, bar them forcefully taking Giftias away before the deadline, but as we know that would constitute breaking the law.

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[Stark700]

Episode 6:


This smile :3

Glad to see Isla doing better now after what happened last time. Silly episode though, especially with some minor misunderstandings regarding "love". It doesn't surprise me about Tsukasa's decision to stay with Isla even after finding out about her life span though. That's the type of selfless person he is.

[ookamigirl]

How Isla lost her human partner..
No wonder she is so withdrawn.
Tsukasa really cares about him & she is starting to open up a bit.
Still, it was hard to deal with the Marcia aftermath..
Isla's lifespan is just too short...
That fact will make their relationship better, but will also be a burden.

[Flower]

Ep 06

Hmm...overall that was a pretty good episode, and rather moving at the end there.

In this ep they showed some restraint with the comedy, though, and it seemed to give a better overall effect - for me at least. If only they had done so in ep 3 -_-

Anyway overall I like where things seem to be going and am more optimistic...for now. ^^

[RaymondSageClark]

Well, overall was a good episode just 1/4 was stupid comedy. Everything else was the main plot and seems like MC is falling in love with Isla.

Probably from now MC is going to find some way to save Isla.

[Wandering Soul]

Good episode and it's nice to see Isla trying to understand Tsukasa this time. It was obvious he would chose to stay with Isla but it was still a nice scene.

[ChampDream]

That was really a great scene when Tsukasa said he want to stay with Isla, she seem really happy.