(L) Tatakau Shisho (The Book of Bantorra)

[kyouray]

Originally Posted by KariOhki

Quiet topic is quiet...

Spoiler for episode 19:

What happened to Olivia? Why was it so important that the meats get their memory back? These are probably spoiler answers...XD

Spoiler for ep 19:

Since she disappeared with the same magic circle that the Church uses, I think she went to Heavens.
By the way this episode is sad (Volken )
I laughed when Hamyuts was irritated because of Volken's illusions

Episode 20's preview reminds me Casshern Sins and the official website confirms my thoughts : episode 20 will be directed by Shigeyasu Yamauchi (Casshern Sins' director). So this episode has high chance to be nice

[Timberlan]

Question for kemal_1915
Is there any translations on english? Or it's only Japaness?

[wandering-dreamer]

The truth is reveled and.... I had it backwards in my mind. But if this wasn't even the real truth (like, this was only a few layers in instead of the core of it) I do wonder if all will be revealed by the end of the series. The last book just came out right, so have there been any spoilers posted about it?

[raiden7]

Hello guys,
I'm Raiden7 (from Brazil) and I'm new to this forum.

Allow me to express my thoughts on the series so far. I have previously stated them on the Star Anime Blog under Mr.C:

VOLKEN

What a sad ending for Volken (it reminds me of John Locke dying in Lost)! His pursuit was in vain, everything he believed turned out to be a lie. Nonetheless, he took pride in dying on the right side of the battle. His beliefs cost him his life.
In a way, he was able to die a good and honorable death, he was valiant in life and even though his beliefs crumbled around him, his life was blemish-less. Before dying, his last words were that he lost everything, but that is not altogether true. His sense of justice remained even when all the justice around him was nothing more than a falsehood. He died not as an Armed Librarian, but as a True Armed Librarian ought to have been. I believe his book will be important for the plot of the story.

ARMED LIBRARIANS VS CHURCH

It makes sense since Fothona was trying to remove the Guardian of Paradise from his post. One thing remains to be solved then. Who knows the relationship between the Church and the Armed Librarians besides the Acting Director? Matt seems to know. Those two siblings dressed up in winter clothes seem to know it too.

LASCALL OTHELLO

Ok, so Lascall is not human and is an independent existence from the Church and the Armed Librarians. He’s not be be pursued, because he (I’m using he even though he appears as a girl now) is one of the mysteries regarding the truth about this world. The other mystery is…

HEAVEN

I’m starting to believe that heaven might be that Tree or someone else, and not a place. Books are taken to Heaven. Maybe that person glowing as the moonshine in the OP is Heaven…

WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS?

Hard question. Certainly not the Armed Librarians. I mean, can we call someone who bombs an entire ship, killing a lot of people “good”?

THE VIOLET SINNER

Now, Vend Ruga seemed a very good character, maybe he was on the right side. More enigmatic still is the person known as the Violet Sinner. Who is she? She was attempting to destroy Heaven, and this brought the attention of the Church and the Armed Librarians. They considered her a threat not only because she attempted such task, but because she HAD the means to do so. Her will was passed to the Lead golems. I wonder if she is still alive or if at least her will is still alive inside one of the lead golems. I’m starting to believe that she might be the Hero of the series and she shared a past with Hamyuts (seen in the OP).

OLIVIA

Well at least Olivia survived. However what she was trying to remember had nothing to do with the Violet Sinner, that’s bad… Volken died for no reason at all and Olivia was almost killed for no reason at all. Now Olivia became the witch of reminiscence — what does that mean? Maybe she has the power to return the memories to those who lost it? Maybe. I hope she will appear later on in the series and by the cover of the light novels (http://dash.shueisha.co.jp/-bakudan/) Olivia appears in Vol. 7 — next episode will cover the arc of Vol. 6 and we will see Noloty again. I just love Noloty!!! Some parts of Vol.8 were already shown (i.e. when Hamyuts joins the Armed Librarians). However I’m more excited about Vol. 9 and Vol. 10.

By the way I don’t read Japanese, so I have no idea what the description says.

Finally, allow me to say which arcs I enjoyed the most.

The Colio Tonis arc was one of the best
This arc was also pretty good, after all our dear Volken made his final exit.

Poor Mirepoc (Mirepokku)!

Take care guys!

[raiden7]

Oh I forgot to mention...

I believe that Kemal_1915 mentioned earlier that the Library of Bantorra had 6 levels,

Level 6 was open to the public

Level 5 was where the apprenctices trained

Level 2 was the place where the Tree was

Level 1 is where Bantorra lives

Does anyone remember in what level Mokkania used to live?

And on a side note, does anyone think that the tree Gods, Bantorra (Past), Towitorra (Present) and Orntorra (Future) will be seen in the anime?

[DeadlySoldier37]

Damn that was sad.

Spoiler for Episode 19:

I can't believe Volken died, I think the saddest part was that everything he believed in and even his master was a lie. To think no one sided with him and died alone was pretty sad too. Well my respects go to Volken for being the only one with enough balls to stand up for what he believed and fight for it until the end. Volken was my favorite character but I will watch the show until the end and see how things end.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by DeadlySoldier37

Damn that was sad.

Spoiler for Episode 19:

I can't believe Volken died, I think the saddest part was that everything he believed in and even his master was a lie. To think no one sided with him and died alone was pretty sad too. Well my respects go to Volken for being the only one with enough balls to stand up for what he believed and fight for it until the end. Volken was my favorite character but I will watch the show until the end and see how things end.

Spoiler for Episode 19:

Yeah i agree, it was pretty heart breaking. Finding out that everything he's believed was all a lie just before he passed away was hard to take. I was in such tears, and i wasn't even attached to his character that much. Still i do love how much of an impact he made during this arc, along with being quite the stand out character.

Ringing the bells for the comrade they knew at the end of the episode there was a nice touch. A very nice touch.

[DeadlySoldier37]

At this point I'm sad and really looking forward for Hammy kicking the bucket if she ever does, because it seems that no one could ever match up to her.

@ Kemal_1915

Spoiler for novel question:

Do they ever mention Volken's book in the future or is this officially the last time we ever hear of Volken.

[shiki-sama]

Originally Posted by raiden7

http://dash.shueisha.co.jp/-bakudan/

So that's it? The source material is already completed, and it's not ongoing? I was afraid of directors coming up with some anime original ending or something because the series was still ongoing.

[kyouray]

Originally Posted by DeadlySoldier37

Damn that was sad.

Spoiler for Episode 19:

I can't believe Volken died, I think the saddest part was that everything he believed in and even his master was a lie. To think no one sided with him and died alone was pretty sad too. Well my respects go to Volken for being the only one with enough balls to stand up for what he believed and fight for it until the end. Volken was my favorite character but I will watch the show until the end and see how things end.

Spoiler for ep 19:

Yeah very sad. However he died at least without regrets since he lost everything (even Mirepoc and Vizac). It's also difficult (and sad) to see that his comrades believe he killed Vizac without checking the fact.

5 books left ? They should do more episodes or a second series.

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by Tale

This is not the first time for me to say that this is different from some popular anime series.

BTW, I had been wondering this...the most memories focused in this series is that of the past, which is understandable since the librarians are worshiping the god(des?) of the past. However, there is an exception - Shiron Byacornise who could see the memory (?) of the future. Is she related with the god(des) of the future?

Spoiler for episode 19:

As for minor points, I was wondering why Ireia was not around in ep 18 since she is another person who would side with Volken. In this episode, she looked sad. She was probably crashed between her position and maternal love to Volken and needed to distance herself from the other librarians.

Spoiler for Ep 19:

I was wrong about the memory recovery of Mirepoch and Matt. She didn't recover her memory during Volken's arc. Matt and Hamuts didn't seem to know that Volken didn't kill Vizac. I thought they were cooperating with the Church. Well, they were cooperating but it was no prior agreements between them.

The god of the future...um I want to stat that not all gods are good.

Ireia is a person who sticks with rules and authorities. She may not like Hamyuts but she listens to her order at all cost. Although she treated Volken as his son, rules are rules.

They knew what the church did.

[QUOTE=kyouray;2902671]

Spoiler for ep 19:

Since she disappeared with the same magic circle that the Church uses, I think she went to Heavens.
By the way this episode is sad (Volken )
I laughed when Hamyuts was irritated because of Volken's illusions

She is alive somewhere on the Earth

Originally Posted by Timberlan

Question for kemal_1915
Is there any translations on english? Or it's only Japaness?

As far as I know, there is only Japanese, Chinese and Korean translation.
It is unpopular so I don't expect an English verison is possible.

Originally Posted by wandering-dreamer

The truth is reveled and.... I had it backwards in my mind. But if this wasn't even the real truth (like, this was only a few layers in instead of the core of it) I do wonder if all will be revealed by the end of the series. The last book just came out right, so have there been any spoilers posted about it?

Yes, the relationship between the Library and the Church isn't the core of the secret. The hole is deeper.
I only get a few spoilers. It is not enough to know the whole picture.

Originally Posted by raiden7

Hello guys,
I'm Raiden7 (from Brazil) and I'm new to this forum.

Allow me to express my thoughts on the series so far. I have previously stated them on the Star Anime Blog under Mr.C:

LASCALL OTHELLO

Ok, so Lascall is not human and is an independent existence from the Church and the Armed Librarians. He’s not be be pursued, because he (I’m using he even though he appears as a girl now) is one of the mysteries regarding the truth about this world. The other mystery is…

WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS?

Hard question. Certainly not the Armed Librarians. I mean, can we call someone who bombs an entire ship, killing a lot of people “good”?

Finally, allow me to say which arcs I enjoyed the most.

The Colio Tonis arc was one of the best
This arc was also pretty good, after all our dear Volken made his final exit.

Poor Mirepoc (Mirepokku)!

Take care guys!

Lascall has a hidden agenda. It may be shown in volume 10 so I still don't know what he/she wants to do.

Only one person in this series in purely good - Noloty. Even Volken killed people in the name of Justices but Noloty doesn't.
Only two people in this series in purely evil - Hamyuts and...

Spoiler for she:

Violet sinner - Chacoli

Colio is a special person. In this world, we have someone very powerful (Hamyuts, Mokkania...) Colio didn't have the past (memory), the future (life) and ability. However, he had love and faith and saved a lot of people by them. And it will be more amazed if you know Rurura's story. He is the opposite of Colio.

(The rest is in my message.)

Originally Posted by raiden7

Oh I forgot to mention...

I believe that Kemal_1915 mentioned earlier that the Library of Bantorra had 6 levels,

Level 6 was open to the public

Level 5 was where the apprenctices trained

Level 2 was the place where the Tree was

Level 1 is where Bantorra lives

Does anyone remember in what level Mokkania used to live?

And on a side note, does anyone think that the tree Gods, Bantorra (Past), Towitorra (Present) and Orntorra (Future) will be seen in the anime?

Mokkania lived on Level 5.
It should be. If they talk about Ruruta, these gods have to be mentioned.

Originally Posted by DeadlySoldier37

@ Kemal_1915

Spoiler for novel question:

Do they ever mention Volken's book in the future or is this officially the last time we ever hear of Volken.

Spoiler for Volken:

His book is crushed into ash by Hamyuts. His name will appear again but he takes more blames.

Originally Posted by shiki-sama

So that's it? The source material is already completed, and it's not ongoing? I was afraid of directors coming up with some anime original ending or something because the series was still ongoing.

That's what I am afraid of and it is very likely to happen.

[DeadlySoldier37]

^ Damn that makes it even worst, since a book is like the story of your life.

[Dakkar]

Level 2 was the place where the Tree was

Level 1 is where Bantorra lives

Pretty much implies that the tree is the actual director, I guess...

[wandering-dreamer]

Nope, I asked Kemal about it awhile back and Bantorra is the actual director of the library. The tree is well, just a book eating tree, not in charge of any leadership responsibilities that we know of.

[Tale]

Originally Posted by raiden7

Hello guys,
I hope she will appear later on in the series and by the cover of the light novels (http://dash.shueisha.co.jp/-bakudan/)

At the page, there are some parts of the books are quoted...I'm not so impressed by the writing, though.

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

Ireia is a person who sticks with rules and authorities. She may not like Hamyuts but she listens to her order at all cost. Although she treated Volken as his son, rules are rules.

They knew what the church did.

What do you mean by "they"? I initially thought Hamuts and Matt both were trying to flame Volken, cooperating with the Church. However, when Volken managed to hurt Hamuts, she said to Volken, "I can see how you managed to kill Vizac.", which indicates that she believed that Volken killed Visac. However, she decided to keep the book of Volken since the book records his innocence. So, she ended up with using the situation created by the Church while she learned his innocence.

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

Lascall has a hidden agenda. It may be shown in volume 10 so I still don't know what he/she wants to do.

Yes, Lascall seems to have used Volken by handing him what he calls the "evidence" of evil deeds of Hamuts.

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

It should be. If they talk about Ruruta, these gods have to be mentioned.

I think it’s from the opining of ep 2, where Ireia explains the basic knowledge about their myth to visitors and, as far as I know, there is no information about "Ruruta."

Originally Posted by wandering-dreamer

Nope, I asked Kemal about it awhile back and Bantorra is the actual director of the library. The tree is well, just a book eating tree, not in charge of any leadership responsibilities that we know of.

However, I'm puzzled. In Minth's arch, Matt, who doesn't seem to be so fanciful, talked to the tree like it is a human-being or at least has its own will.

[urangel]

I love this anime but it leaves me crazy wondering about what's going to happen next. I can't believe Volken died so soon and in that way!! I wish I could read the light novels. It seems like the type of story where the characters die off one by one. Could someone please please spoil me and tell me if anyone else dies in the novels so far and what happens to Noloty??

[LaiShin]

Originally Posted by wandering-dreamer

Nope, I asked Kemal about it awhile back and Bantorra is the actual director of the library. The tree is well, just a book eating tree, not in charge of any leadership responsibilities that we know of.

and the director is that no-face?

[shiki-sama]

Originally Posted by LaiShin

and the director is that no-face?

The no face is the Governor of Paradise, the head of the Church. Who is also appointed by the Library. Church support True Man to become good books to give to the tree, who then pass it to Bantorra???

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by Dakkar

Pretty much implies that the tree is the actual director, I guess...

Originally Posted by wandering-dreamer

Nope, I asked Kemal about it awhile back and Bantorra is the actual director of the library. The tree is well, just a book eating tree, not in charge of any leadership responsibilities that we know of.

The god of the past Bantorra is the director.
But the actual situation is not that simple.

Originally Posted by Tale

What do you mean by "they"? I initially thought Hamuts and Matt both were trying to flame Volken, cooperating with the Church. However, when Volken managed to hurt Hamuts, she said to Volken, "I can see how you managed to kill Vizac.", which indicates that she believed that Volken killed Visac. However, she decided to keep the book of Volken since the book records his innocence. So, she ended up with using the situation created by the Church while she learned his innocence.


Yes, Lascall seems to have used Volken by handing him what he calls the "evidence" of evil deeds of Hamuts.


I think it’s from the opining of ep 2, where Ireia explains the basic knowledge about their myth to visitors and, as far as I know, there is no information about "Ruruta."


However, I'm puzzled. In Minth's arch, Matt, who doesn't seem to be so fanciful, talked to the tree like it is a human-being or at least has its own will.

Hamyuts didn't know Volken is innocence before she read his book.
After that, she will know. If she knows, Matt will know. So I use "they".

Ruruta is a closely-guarded secret. Only a few people know.

That tree is a human.

Originally Posted by urangel

I love this anime but it leaves me crazy wondering about what's going to happen next. I can't believe Volken died so soon and in that way!! I wish I could read the light novels. It seems like the type of story where the characters die off one by one. Could someone please please spoil me and tell me if anyone else dies in the novels so far and what happens to Noloty??

This will be a spoiler. PM me to ask about what you want to know

Originally Posted by shiki-sama

The no face is the Governor of Paradise, the head of the Church. Who is also appointed by the Library. Church support True Man to become good books to give to the tree, who then pass it to Bantorra???

Armed Librarian gives commands to the church to make those books because they can do those things by themselves. "The righteous Armed Librarian can't do evil deed." That is what Volken and all people in the world thinks.
So, the question is "Why they have to do so?"

[shiki-sama]

Rewatched episode 5. Mirepoc mentions a period when god lives amongst men, then the gods left and bantorra was locked up in the Library. I guess Bantorra wanted the world and his two siblings, present + future stopped him?

So the Tree is actually the jailer to keep Bantorra locked up? Assuming Bantorra is in a mode of sedation, the books that will keep him sedated are books that attain Happiness. The tree "eats" these books and projects the contents as dreams to Bantorra? In order to keep a constant supply of happy books, people must exist that will follow their desires to obtain their happiness. The Church is there to nurture these people that wants to obtain happiness regardless of whether the method is good or bad.