Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

I don't know. I'd love to say I'm boycotting until the price drops... but considering I'm pretty much only interested in the game for single player/co-op it's not like I'm willing to pay $60 anyway so its a moot point.

That's not really boycotting is it?

With STEAM though it wouldn't be too long until they half the price before halfing it again.

I mean I remember when STEAM halfed the price for L4D and it was like 10 bucks at that point.. I might end up buying this if the price goes down just for co-op mode too.

[SaintessHeart]

Just completed the game on Veteran. The AI sucks.

Spoiler for spoilers:

There is no such thing as AI giving covering fire for you. And for some reason, the AI is unable to throw grenades back at you unless they are cooked before throwing.

The ending is lame. Button mashing just to pull out a knife to throw?

And what is more annoying, you can't share ammo between the M16 and M4 (both 5.56x45), yet you share ammo between the M249 (5.56x45) and M240(7.62x51). But the M240 has one hell of a firepower, 3 rounds from it and it can take anything down, 1 round and you blow someone's head off.

Spoiler for One innovative factor:

We get to play as a terrorist shooting up the airport! Wish it was longer.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

And what is more annoying, you can't share ammo between the M16 and M4 (both 5.56x45), yet you share ammo between the M249 (5.56x45) and M240(7.62x51). But the M240 has one hell of a firepower, 3 rounds from it and it can take anything down, 1 round and you blow someone's head off.

None of the CoD games have allowed you to share ammo between calibres, so I took that for granted.

There are a few things that I'm seriously annoyed about this game:
1) When I first started the game, there are no Options on the main menu. When I first start a game, the first thing I look for is the Video Options, because no game has ever estimated my video settings right. This is seriously insulting for PC gamers.

2) The campaign is ridiculously short. It was advertised as 10 hours, but I completed it in 7 while dying a lot.

3) The ballistic shield is a little bit bullshit. I made my way through waves of enemies with it, just by aggro-ing them so they try to melee me and knock them down.

Spoiler for Plot-related problems:

4) In the DC blackout level, the point was made that 97% of the guns in the level have optical sights, so you end up trying to aim down a huge circle. Are the soldiers so dumb they can't spare a moment to remove them? IW is trying too hard to wrap reason around this gameplay idea.

5) I like the twist, but the ending was seriously dumb.

Originally Posted by MidnightViper88

Well, playing through the first handful of levels in the campaign mode, I can't help but remember wayyy back in the beginning of the thread about a minor exchange I brought forth...

And now I can call this an example of modern Shakespearean dramatic irony...

I almost forgot about that. There are civilians in the game, but they're made so that players have absolutely no qualms mowing them down. There's this one point where one of the members goes to shoot down at a lobby from a balcony, and I'm pretty sure there are people who would try to race him to see how many people down there he could shoot first.

[Vexx]

I'm getting a seriously mixed set of signals... the "professional reviews" are all glowing (suspicious in itself anymore) and the blog/forum reviews are skewering (even allowing for the usual emo-gamer fury). Penny Arcade has some very unpleasant things to say (and they're usually pretty forgiving).

I suspect I'll be waiting for the "sale" or "bargain bin" before even considering it. Frankly, Steam has been offering a load of $10/$20 games that provide a LOT of gaming value and entertainment from indie/small groups that I've been having a lot more fun with. I'd *like* to have something to replace the GhostRecon/CS/CoD older fare... this just may not be it.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Claies

None of the CoD games have allowed you to share ammo between calibres, so I took that for granted.

MW1 allowed you to share M16 rounds with M4. Try the mission in which you have to escort a M1 through a town, though you need some patience in finding an M16. The UGL also fires faster for the M16, and the weapon is more accurate than the M4.

There are a few things that I'm seriously annoyed about this game:
1) When I first started the game, there are no Options on the main menu. When I first start a game, the first thing I look for is the Video Options, because no game has ever estimated my video settings right. This is seriously insulting for PC gamers.

2) The campaign is ridiculously short. It was advertised as 10 hours, but I completed it in 7 while dying a lot.

3) The ballistic shield is a little bit bullshit. I made my way through waves of enemies with it, just by aggro-ing them so they try to melee me and knock them down.

1 - Yes the options menu! Where the F- is it?

2 - This is what I meant by dumb allied AI. They don't provide covering fire, while EVERYONE walks straight into my hail of 7.62 when I was spraying my M240 to keep them back.

3 - I never figured out how to use it with a gun, nor did I figure out how to melee with it. I gave up and always carry a suppressive fire weapon with me.

Another thing is the leaning. Where did it go? I could have died a lot less times with lean left and right.

Spoiler for Plot-related problems:

4) In the DC blackout level, the point was made that 97% of the guns in the level have optical sights, so you end up trying to aim down a huge circle. Are the soldiers so dumb they can't spare a moment to remove them? IW is trying too hard to wrap reason around this gameplay idea.

5) I like the twist, but the ending was seriously dumb.

Spoiler for spoiler:

4 - I see that as a challenge. I dropped my M4 for an AK-47 grenadier with ironsights and traded my M9 for an RPD. Later near the White House I traded them for an M240 and SCAR-H Grenadier.

5 - Very. I hate button mashing.

I almost forgot about that. There are civilians in the game, but they're made so that players have absolutely no qualms mowing them down. There's this one point where one of the members goes to shoot down at a lobby from a balcony, and I'm pretty sure there are people who would try to race him to see how many people down there he could shoot first.

Spoiler for spoiler:

You mean the airport stage?

[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I suspect I'll be waiting for the "sale" or "bargain bin" before even considering it. Frankly, Steam has been offering a load of $10/$20 games that provide a LOT of gaming value and entertainment from indie/small groups that I've been having a lot more fun with. I'd *like* to have something to replace the GhostRecon/CS/CoD older fare... this just may not be it.

I'm guessing Ghost Recon must have changed quite a bit since the first game if it's being lumped in the same category as CoD now.

What surprises me is that some of the stuff they're offering for $10-$20 aren't from small devs... it's stuff from companies like Bioware and Crytek (both of whose stuff I like) that's just been out for 12-18 months. Since I actually missed out on a lot of gaming during this time period due to time constraints, I'm quite happy about this.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by Vexx

I suspect I'll be waiting for the "sale" or "bargain bin" before even considering it. Frankly, Steam has been offering a load of $10/$20 games that provide a LOT of gaming value and entertainment from indie/small groups that I've been having a lot more fun with. I'd *like* to have something to replace the GhostRecon/CS/CoD older fare... this just may not be it.

I haven't played Ghost Recon, but from the last time I heard of it it has zero similarity with the rest. XD

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

3 - I never figured out how to use it with a gun, nor did I figure out how to melee with it. I gave up and always carry a suppressive fire weapon with me.

You just hit melee normally as soon as you're about 5 feet away, and back off immediately after the hit connects. The only trick to it is that shielded enemies take two hits, and you need to get them as soon as they're dazed and trying to get back up. I called the shield bullshit because it could withstand any number of any calibre of bullets and you wouldn't feel a thing as long as you're pointing it at the right direction.

I also like how being slammed with one is about as lethal as being sliced with a knife.

For an extra challenge I just might attempt to pass an entire level using a shield as soon as I get one.

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Spoiler for spoiler:

You mean the airport stage?

The one and only.

[Sciel]

Spoiler for spoilarz:

Finished campaign today and it really is bloody short .
The story is actually quite good , i did however hate the first half of campaign mode . I was like mehhhhhh most of the time . Also , TBF i found the plot twist rather dumb, maybe its just me but his motivations for doing such a thing seemed rather odd to me.
Also, the ending was pretty poor . Basically they are saying "LOL MODERN WARFARE 3 COMING SOON , YOUR $60 PLZZ"

PS : Is it just me or do the graphics actually look rather poor .The character models are done fairly well but everything else feels and looks quite bland.

[zibi88]

ehh kinda MW2 is weaker than MW1 in campaing [multiplayer is not even comparable since MW1>>MW2 duo huge lags thx to IWNet and p2p system... so without strong bandwitch you wont play without lag]

well I played some levels at friends home [didnt listened and bought pc version... poor guy].....

Well from all missions the most interesting from them are the [Ghost] squad.... the rangers missions are boring...

anyway main concept of those missions is that on you are thrown hundreds of enemies and that's all.... each few meters another pack of enemies approches you kill them.... you move few meters and another pack is comeing at you..... this concept is REALLY overused at the rangers missions....

and the whoel missions are kinda boring.... well like rangers have to get that case with drone attack.... you run around the same map over and over and over again.... you run to building 1... than building 2... than building 3.... than again to bulding 1... builrind 3... bulrilnd 2.... between them are hundreds of enemies... its just plain boring this to run around the same map that is small in itself but each run to buidling is more and more enemies [+ helis].... so you run get the case drop few bombs... than you have to run for rocket louncher to shoot heli down... than another heli approches so you have to run to other building to get another louncher >___< (this is only an example since futher was worse... like the map to destroy the anti-air craft guns....)

personaly I think that MW1 campaing was more kick ass than this.... not mention that without LEAN in Pc ver. is just too funny or rather pain in the ass.... since lots of enemies behind corner and with no lean you have to jump out of the corner and shoot them >__< normaly in MW1 you would lean out kill few enemies...reloead and go further....and now its immposible >__< and as for the title...modern warfare its just funny not to have it [they have so many advenced weapons but they cant lean XDXDXD]

so for me MW1 is kinda better than MW2.... dont know but it had more exciting missions that werent all about kill lots of enemies each few sec. ^^

[TigerII]

^^^ Welcome to the Call of Duty singleplayer series, lol. Run forward kill, run forward kill.

I'm still laughing at the heavy preaching about RUSSIA BAD, USA BAD, UK SUPER DUPER GOOD GUYS. O well, I still will play MW3 singleplayer just to see the US retaliation. Wonder if China will get involved, also, wtf NATO. The entire point was to retaliate against the Russians.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by TigerII

I'm still laughing at the heavy preaching about RUSSIA BAD, USA BAD, UK SUPER DUPER GOOD GUYS. O well, I still will play MW3 singleplayer just to see the US retaliation. Wonder if China will get involved, also, wtf NATO. The entire point was to retaliate against the Russians.

Yeah, I'm actually quite bothered by that. The way the plot portrays the Russians as a country of criminal extremists is just asking for the truth to mimic fiction. How could we honestly ask Russians to see Americans in a friendly light when we have video games that drill the contrary idea into gamers everywhere?

It would be slightly more tactful if Makarov is being controlled by PMCs or something. Or America, even. That'd be awesome.

Spoiler for obvious plot twist:

The thing about the US and Russia being both manipulative and evil is more indicative of imperialistic thought. I like how the designers had to make Shepard's soldiers masked and dressed in darker uniforms to distinguish them from the olive drab and desert camouflaged "main line" soldiers that we're fighting with so the gamers don't feel too bad about shooting them while escaping the boneyards. They look dehumanized in that respect.

[TigerII]

Yeah, I guess it is okay since both the powers are portrayed as bad guys. But if it is any consolation to you, Shadow Company is a PMC. They just happen to be Americans. It isn't like it was the Rangers slaughtering TF 141. Also, there were some Americans in 141 as well. I was able to see UK, USA, New Zealand, Canadian, and Australian patches.

Spoiler for Plot:

Makarov technically was working for a PMC. From the dialogue in the game it is heavily suggested that Shepard was the one paying Makarov for the attacks and that he was the one who tipped Makarov off to Allen. Shepard wanted a pretext to lead the US military on a world wide rampage to make the USA the only superpower. He was power hungry and he was willing to kill tens of thousands of innocent Russians and Americans to get there. This makes it interesting to see how MW3 will go. Both nations were tricked into the war. Now that tens of thousands of Americans are dead(The rule the Russians had was 1000 Americans killed for every Russian killed at that airport) the Americans will retaliate, whether the Russians were misinformed or not. I am just wondering how NATO nations and the PRC will react.

As for Russians being the bad guys in a lot of games, that obviously stems from the past 60 year Cold War. That being said, ever heard of the game Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising? In it the Russian Federation and the PRC go to war. Russia asks the US to help defend the Russian islands off of Siberia and Alaska. Yes, that's right. Russia and the US allies, lol.

[MakubeX2]

There's just one big gapping plot hole from what I see :-

Spoiler:

One or two of Makarov's men had been killed prior to the ending of the Airport Slaughter. Let us take them as full Russian and assuming that the Russian Government retrived those bodies as well and they are not CIA Agents, why would the Russians still bark for American's blood ?

And of course, in the real world. The Russian will demand an explantion from the CIA before sending out troops. Using the same context, MGS3 did a better job here than MW2.

[TigerII]

I think plot wise, those men were not supposed to die.


And of course in the modern world, Russia would contact the US to discuss/negotiate. No way within a day of the incident would Russia send thousands of paratroopers into a nation with one of the most advanced and largest militaries on the planet. I think the Ultra nationalist taking the country is supposed to cover that gaping plot hole. Besides, if it was the Russian Federation, I'm pretty sure the US and Russia would at least share info about someone like Makarov who was killing civilians in nations all over. Our world's Russia and America may not like each other, but they don't want war at the moment.

[Firefly00]

MakubeX2 and TigerII make a good point: having the Russians jump to conclusions like that strains the readers' ability to suspend disbelief. Surely it would have occured to folks that the 'clues' left behind might be a bit too convenient... laying red herrings is a part of the trade (anyone remember Operation Mincemeat?).
In some ways, MW2 reminds me a bit of 'The Sum of All Fears'... except I don't recall Clancy's work having such a gaping plot anomaly.

Originally Posted by TigerII

As for Russians being the bad guys in a lot of games, that obviously stems from the past 60 year Cold War. That being said, ever heard of the game Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising? In it the Russian Federation and the PRC go to war. Russia asks the US to help defend the Russian islands off of Siberia and Alaska. Yes, that's right. Russia and the US allies, lol.

Coincidentally, this premise is very similar to 'The Bear and the Dragon' (another of Clancy's works)...

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Firefly00

MakubeX2 and TigerII make a good point: having the Russians jump to conclusions like that strains the readers' ability to suspend disbelief. Surely it would have occured to folks that the 'clues' left behind might be a bit too convenient... laying red herrings is a part of the trade (anyone remember Operation Mincemeat?).
In some ways, MW2 reminds me a bit of 'The Sum of All Fears'... except I don't recall Clancy's work having such a gaping plot anomaly.
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Well for starters the Ultranationalists control Russia now so they just needed an excuse to get the ball rolling.

Though how in the world do the Russians amass such a massive airforce without anyone noticing? I mean sure they disabled the Americans' survelliance but how seriously? There's so much air traffic these days and when it comes to moving such a massive amount of resources it's just impossible for anyone NOT to notice. Surely the Europeans or the Chinese would've noticed heavy movement. Heck, even the Americans would've doubled their patrols and check the skies for any invasion. Maybe I'm missing something here.

I mean if they invaded the western coasts sure but the eastern coast?

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

1 - Yes the options menu! Where the F- is it?

It's in the single player menu when you start up the game again.

Just got my copy today, haven't had the chance to progress past The Pit due to... brotherly matters ( ), loving it so far, but one thing did set my bloodlust on fire...

Spoiler for Campaign:

IMRAN ZAKHAEV - THE HERO OF NEW RUSSIA

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF WHERE'S MY GUN I'M GONNA MOW DOWN THAT BASTARD WHO PUT UP THAT STATUE

*ehem*

I'm sooooo gonna enjoy this

[Alchemist007]

I'm surprised at how well it ran on high settings with just a couple other things off on my old ass system.

[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

I'm surprised at how well it ran on high settings with just a couple other things off on my old ass system.

It's a cross platform game, so I would expect it to run well on older hardware as long as you don't set the resolution too high. Especially since your 7950GT is in some ways identical to the PS3's graphics chip, and in the ways it differs, it is superior.

[Tiberium Wolf]

I found this video yesterday... is this true?