2013-04-29, 10:58 | Link #4441 |
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its kinda ironic how without backstory a lot of our favorite characters get a totally different view. Ignore naruto in that because there are more twists and turns in that manga then you find in a pretzel factory. But seriously give characters time to be developed then pass judgement
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2013-04-29, 18:41 | Link #4443 |
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sometimes I don't see where all this hate for Claire comes from, when you get right down she not that bad of a character, granted she is a princes-tsundere( a princes tsundere is a tsundere who's looks and attitude reminded one of Louis from zero no tsukaima) which is not a great character to begin with, but she improves overtime and you understand why she's like that and is a well developed character (granted all the characters have good development but still), honestly I think this hate for Claire is definitely way mare than it should actually be
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2013-04-29, 19:25 | Link #4444 |
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Cedec0, the another claire`s hater,huh i do understand about you feel me too, i hate her but i`m just dislike her personality since she treat Kamito like slave since I hate women that treat someone like crap but if Kamito "little" pervert... maybe she`s the who one gonna treated like slave for example, Kamito whipping her or smack her butt even Claire dream about being slave of Kamito well, thats just my delusion so dont take it seriously
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Or do you think Claire would give up and go home empty-handed instead of going too far and angering the sealed spirit? Quote:
"A demon spirit— that was something with a spirit make-up that greatly differed from humans, and thus, that was a grotesque spirit that can never be tamed by elementalists." That sounds like "no hope" to me. Quote:
1) Trying to enter a blade dance without her contract spirit ("To perform blade dance without the contract spirit, that kind of action amounts to nothing but suicide.") 2) Accepted a spirit from a suspicious person. ("Had it been the usual Claire, surely she would not hesitate to brush that hand away.") The result was Claire being attacked by her own spirit. (if she hadn't entered the blade dance without a spirit and then accepted a suspicious spirit, this wouldn't have happened.) Quote:
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"Since the founding of the academy, not a single princess maiden has successfully formed a contract with it" --Claire 2) It was not the best alternative to get a "strong spirit" Trying to get a militarized spirit = virtually no risk with high odds of success (when participating in blade dance with Scarlett) Trying to get a sealed spirit = suicidal with virtually no odds of success. So why didn't Claire try to get a militarized spirit? Quote:
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"However, without her contract spirit, to enter a blade dance is—" Kamito stopped in mid-sentence and swallow the remaining words. Impossible— but he was not sure. To perform blade dance without the contract spirit, that kind of action amounts to nothing but suicide. Without the power of spirits, there was absolutely no way to beat other elementalists. Such a no-brainer simple truth. Quote:
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if by any chance, she was to release a sealed spirit and fail to control it, what would happen? Although she was just a girl he met by chance, Kamito couldn't leave her alone. (he is not going with her because of her charming personallity or looks... but because of her suicidal actions...) THINK ABOUT HOW PERVERSE THIS IS! Instead of choosing "the best girl" (based on positive characteristics), the male lead is essentially choosing "the most pathetic girl" (based on which girl is the most dysfunctional and needs him most). Sigh... Whatever... Quote:
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2013-04-30, 04:11 | Link #4447 |
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^ I believe this guy just loves to criticize Claire according to what he have read so far,I think you should read all the available volumes first before judging her cause you still don't know why she became like that she have her own reasons and experiences in the past as to why she became her current self but I'm not saying that you would love her after that,as for Rinslet Claire relationship they are BEST OF FRIENDS you would come to understand that once you finish reading
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2013-04-30, 06:55 | Link #4450 | ||||
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@Codec: I think you need to read more in order to fully understand a character.
Personally, I think Claire is still a better tsundere-type heroine than others. First, even though she called Kamito a slave doesn't mean she actually treat him like a slave unlike a certain useless pink hair void mage. IIRC, he only cooks for her by his own free will and she doesn't force him to treat her like royalty, again, unlike a certain useless pink hair void mage I've mentioned. Second, she is strong elementalist, she is the top of the class and during the Blade Dance she is the strategist of the group. She is not weak , it's just that other contractors are way too OP for her. Quote:
Just put yourself in that situation and tell me, will you do the same thing she did? Risk everything, even your own life, for a chance to save your parents, your family's honor, your sister? Or will you just sit back in a corner like a coward ? You have to admit, this girl got guts. Quote:
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I think she treat him more like a subordinate than a slave. To sum it up, Claire is not a great female lead but she is still likable and still better than some tsundere whose name I don't want to mention here. If you don't like her, that's your problem. I suggest you read a few more volumes to understand her better. If you still don't, just like another female character for god damn's sake. This is a harem novel. |
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2013-04-30, 08:08 | Link #4452 |
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For tsundere's supporters (not really, characters like Claire and Louise are more of ungrateful bitches than traditional tsundere), if somehow Kamito got his limbs cut or really burnt into cinder for some stupid reasons by those unreasonable girls, are you gonna say it's totally his own fault he couldn't dodge it?
Well, I don't really take LN seriously so I should just back off from this worthless discussion against you guys, but rethink it a bit about what would happen in real life if girls act like this, and you hurt enough to become handicapped your whole life. |
2013-04-30, 09:09 | Link #4453 |
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The violence for some reason may have been for crude humor purposes...
Though for some reason, most Harem series nowadays will always have a violent tsundere with them and as far as we've seen some harem series... some of them are Main Heroine... Zero, Toradora, Love Hina, Negi, Ranma, IS, Oreimo etc... Indeed in real life they should be imprisoned but in fiction they seems to have a charm that won't let them disappear... Sad but true... Even if Clair/VT have all reasons in the world for how she became like that... their violence can never be justified... She's a great chara, she's ok, she's bad, she's the worst... it will always varies to each individual's PoV... so why don't why not stop the discussion about her and move to a different topic... Any news or info about the next volume? |
2013-04-30, 09:32 | Link #4454 |
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Well, i really didn't agree with either sides cause just like most people here have post, Claire have a decent amount of development in the later volumes, however , like kleeyook said and Zero said, no matter how good her development are or how tragic her past is, it didn't justified her violences, throwing flame at others to cover embrassment is downright crazy and it possible to kill someone, Basically what you guys saying is no diffirent from " while she's throwing flame and attck capable of killing someone, she's got a terrible past and she's slowy changing so it can be forgiven" sorry guys buy no worlds work that way, no matter how you guys said it, setting emotion and feelings aside and see only actions, Kamito always stop at word teasing and Claire always threw flame that can cause serious damage, this is a fact.
As Zero said this have happen a lot of times before and it is ideal to stop it here. P.S : there are no schedule yet, it is also the first time the author break the release cycle. |
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2013-04-30, 11:07 | Link #4459 |
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@ dragon1412, your post reminded me of how much i hated ellis in vol1, i was ok with claire since i already encountered louise before but ellis, back then i couldnt see why ppl like her character, she freaking pulled out her sword & cut at kamito behind her just cause he "startled" her -_- seriously all those sword swings if is wasnt someone as skilled as kamito theyd she dead or horribly disfigured, i thought she was unredeemable back then, weird how im okay with the fireballs from claire though..lol, but yeah i get what you mean, violence like that cant be justified
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2013-04-30, 11:24 | Link #4460 |
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I think you guys can stop this argument about tsundere, I mean this is a work of fiction. Anything can happen, it's different from Western fiction. A guy could be beat a moment and the next he is completely fine.
A guy in real life can never be that stupid and not noticing his harem's affection toward him. A girl in real life would not stupid enough to harm her love interest with bullets(Aria), shinai(Houki), explosion spells(Louise), a burning fire whip( Claire), Weapon of mass destruction( Girls in IS),...All that violence is for the comedy. If you guys couldn't understand this than you should quit reading Light novel. |
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