2009-12-18, 11:12 | Link #4461 |
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Kinzo is dead. "No one but Kanon can have the title of Kanon. Same thing goes for Kinzo"- said by Lambdadelta in the Fourth Tea Party, I paraphrased a little, but I'm sure that's what she said.
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2009-12-18, 11:18 | Link #4462 |
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As for getting the key from Gohda & Kumasawa, perhaps they were willing to give up the key because they thought they were in no danger because they knew the story of what happened in the dining room was just a story. (Recall Gohda's problems describing notKanon's attacks in episode 2 and the first twilight of episode 4. I think he's just not a good liar.)
My question is: How did they get the key before they went into the shed? There's no reason for them to have had the key before dinner (Kumasawa is probably unable to do the heavy lifting required; Gohda is excused from non-chef work around the conference; in episode 1, Kanon was the one who had the shed key); it's also unlikely that one of them would stop to pick it up on the way to the guesthouse; there's no mention of the key being at the shed when they arrived or of anyone going to the mansion to get it. |
2009-12-18, 11:32 | Link #4463 |
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Gohda and Kumasawa saw everything in the dining room, they were so shocked that they couldn't believe what they saw. Also, the key was in Gohda's pocket (I think), how did it get out and back in when the shed can't open without the key from the outside and the key was inside?
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2009-12-18, 11:46 | Link #4464 | ||
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And at any rate, you're claiming that the magic scenes are completely worthless and that there's in no point in looking at them at all. That's definitely not true. There are definitely clues in the magic scenes, it is just for us to find them, and to ignore them completely is foolhardy. Quote:
While we're at it, the red truths that Lambda stated were: # The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself! # A different person cannot claim his name! Aka. Jack on Kinzo |
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2009-12-18, 12:02 | Link #4465 | |
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2009-12-18, 14:19 | Link #4466 |
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But then that goes back to question of what happened in the dining room. If Gohda and Kumasawa pre-planned the thing, then what about the dining room? Did they kill everybody? Hmm.... Gohda and Kumasaw are the culprits. At least that's what I'm thinking, but it doesn't make much sense once you consider their own death.
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2009-12-18, 14:32 | Link #4467 |
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One of the theories about Episode 4 is that a large portion of the cast, including Kumasawa, Gohda, Jessica, and Kyrie's group, was carrying out a previously-arranged performance for the benefit of the people in the guesthouse for Reason X (maybe something in Kinzo's will). The theory goes that the real culprit was taking advantage of the performance to kill everyone off without alerting them that something was actually wrong. From Gohda and Kumasawa's perspective, the people in the dining room may very well have still been alive when they left the mansion.
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2009-12-18, 14:45 | Link #4469 | |
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...What would make Gohda and Kumasawa run to the guesthouse in panic though? Either something very wrong happened, or it's a huge act.
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2009-12-18, 16:46 | Link #4470 | |
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Now, I've been thinking that Kumasawa was the original Beatrice and she helped Kinzo out ages ago. Now, apparently the existance of the gold Spoiler for Ep5 spoiler about Kinzo's gold:
Now then, if whoever is taking the role of the current Beatrice is serious about testing the Ushiromiyas to see if there is a worthy successor to the head, Kumasawa might certainly be working with her. We don't know much about Gohda, but the lure of money combined with his own seeming cowardace might be enough to get him on board. But at some point Beatrice decided she didn't need the old woman and the cook around anymore. |
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2009-12-18, 19:58 | Link #4472 | |
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The problem with this episode is that everyone seems to be there and there shouldn't be any danger at all. One person holding a gun couldn't control a group of 14 could they? Almost impossible, unless they hold machine guns that came from the pits from the floor. Unless we say small bombs while they were chewing their food...BOOM! |
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2009-12-18, 22:05 | Link #4473 |
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Truth be told, there aren't really any red truths to this game and as much as I would love to dabble in its mysteries, there's no real point to it. Anyone can make a theory and would still be considered since there is no argument against it.
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2009-12-18, 23:28 | Link #4474 |
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Sorry, Erensel, but I think you're missing the entire point of Umineko... But, nevermind that.
I was actually thinking that if the cousins were in the guesthouse through most of EP4 and that no one really died while they were there, then one of the kids must've been on the culprit's side. My bet is on Maria, since she is highly connected to Beatrice. |
2009-12-19, 00:01 | Link #4475 | |
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2009-12-19, 00:38 | Link #4476 | |
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Well... Maria never really did anything... The only time she was left alone was when Battler briefly left the room, but I don't remember why. ^^' I know that he came back because he heard the phone ring, but Maria had already answered it by the time he returned. Actually, this is kinda weird, since Maria's test was supposed to be the last one... Yet, she was the one called instead of Battler. I wonder if Maria said anything that made the caller conduct her test instead? |
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2009-12-19, 07:14 | Link #4479 | |
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1. Why do you believe this? 2. And why Maria? Jessica from my perspective is a ton more likely compared to Maria, particularly since she actually called back telling Battler to believe in the witch. |
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