2010-01-02, 00:50 | Link #441 | |
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Spoiler for Ep6 Spoilers:
Also summaries a little while later. I accidentally deleted the notes I made after the last batch so I'm playing through the sections again.
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2010-01-02, 01:14 | Link #442 | |
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And the Hiragana is "はちじょう とおや" which appears, when romanized, literally becomes "Hachijou Tooya": は = ha ち = chi じょ = jo う = u と = to お = o や = ya But that's just the literal, character-for-character meaning. If what irks you is the spelling of the name "Tooya" (とおや) rather than "Touya" (とうや), note that when a character ending with the vowel "o" such as "to" (と) is followed by the character simply meaning "o" (お), it is commonly romanized as "oh". So in that sense, "とお" becomes "toh", making "はちじょう とおや" becomes "Hachijou Tohya". We could just call her "Hachijo Toya", but don't feel the need to absolutely do so. |
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2010-01-02, 01:17 | Link #443 | |
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But I promise you he does get better. Even though he is sorta a jerk to the new Beato at first he doesn't stay a douche the entire game. I wish he wouldn't be so incompetent, since ultimately that's why Erika was able to make a logical error on the gameboard, but whatever. |
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2010-01-02, 01:30 | Link #445 | |
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2010-01-02, 01:32 | Link #446 |
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From where I am right now, Battler comes off more of a pretend Magnificent Semi-Bastard of sorts.
Oh and here are the first summaries for today. Spoiler for Ep6 Summaries:
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2010-01-02, 04:27 | Link #448 |
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She was responsible for giving realworld-Ange the information of EP3-EP6. Featherine was responsible for writing down what she watched and delivered the information to whoever she deemed suitable (e.g. moe-Beatrice, Bern, meta-Ange)
We could expect realworld-Ange to have once again a "new" journey to Rokkenjima in EP7. |
2010-01-02, 04:31 | Link #449 |
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That really doesn't answer my question.
Magic doesn't exist. Therefore, everything we've read up until now has been the invention of a newly introduced, barely hinted-at character. I am, I hope understandably, a bit upset about this. I am trying to find out if the Meta-World, where most of the plot happens anyway, is at least free from taint like that. |
2010-01-02, 04:33 | Link #450 | |
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Spoiler for Ep6 spoiler:
Think about it this way, using a kindergarden analogy: Hachijou: Storybook Author. Battler: The teacher reading the story. MetaWorld, Us: The people listening to the story.
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2010-01-02, 04:36 | Link #451 | |
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I've heard something to the effect that her stories contain the meta-world as well...?
Which means that Umineko is basically meta-fanfiction. I'm really not happy about that. Quote:
...I'm kind of wondering if this was even planned or not. Because, frankly, it's stupid. |
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Read the analogy I editted in my previous post. Quote:
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2010-01-02, 04:44 | Link #454 | |
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Also, if you have a pre-set checklist of "things that will ruin the story if they are included in any form", Ryuukishi will always disappoint you. From the very beginning, his specialty has always been taking the tired cliches and turning them on their heads... Unless you pay attention to how he does things instead of just what he does, you'll miss out on most of the story. And you need to read the whole thing to do that. If you can't do that, this isn't the genre for you.
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2010-01-02, 04:54 | Link #456 | |
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I don't really know what to say to this statement. I feel like an idiot. (Probably because I am.) I just feel really, really betrayed, what with the spoilers I've read so far on Hachijou. The story just feels so... empty, now. I'm sorry for wasting all of your time. |
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2010-01-02, 05:01 | Link #457 |
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The problem is that you're reading spoilers in a vacuum of knowledge. Before I started playing, when I read the info on Featherine I was like "WTF tacked on creator world undermines the metaworld etc blah blah" and wondered that if having yet another realm completely destroys the credibility of the metaworld.
Now that I'm running through it, I'm convinced that Featherine exists on an equal level and not above the metaworld. Hell I still believe that the Featherine+Ange is purely symbolic representation of the R07+reader interaction and not even part of the story itself.
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2010-01-02, 05:05 | Link #459 | |
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There's no reason why the game itself should fall under Knox's rules. Ryuukishi has never guaranteed that we should be able to figure that out, and EP6 introduces the fact that Lambda and Bern do have real backstories. In the end, it still comes down to whether you have faith in Ryuukishi. I think he's had a pretty incredible record so far, so I'm willing to bet that he'll be able to end this thing successfully. However, if you go into this thinking that Ryuukishi is going to screw everything up, you'll probably keep thinking that way as you read it. There's a reason why Ryuukishi urges his readers on so often even inside the games. If he does succeed with finishing the Umineko story, he will have created one of the largest puzzles I've ever seen. But it's complicated enough that most people will probably miss out on a large part of it.
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2010-01-02, 05:15 | Link #460 | |
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Although, I admit that if he manages to pull it all off and end in an emotionally satisfying and complete way, he's just about the best author ever, just for doing so. |
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