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Again, within Claymore's world their are many chars with mysteries still behind and yeah we have no choice but to imagine what had happened to there past to guess what really made them stick out with each of there unique personality. But again and again, you don't need every minor details and spell it out to grasp every single events going on with this "Ambiguity" covering up its surface. The same goes for Jean and Raki. I mean, I admit there situations of being rescued by Clare and willing to sacrifice themselves to save Clare is similar which is no different than Miria and co but judging from there personalities and outlook so far, there is a big difference as to why they protected her. Jean also gave off her live (like the others) out of her sense of belief/honor and a strong bond of friendship she felt toward as a comrade.. but Raki? Look, I am not insinuating anything against him but he is just a man trying to protect someone he loves/cares for as his ultimate goal, no more or less and no one else. He is just attracted and obsessed to Clare.
Man, beats me... it kinda gives me the sensation of Jean's existence being some kind of cheap replacement of Raki if I really had to consider Jean/Raki overlap was that similar, I mean considering Yagi's intention of bringing her out in Raki's absense only to fill that space.
IDK... my lack of free times creeping me out and I really can't focus on discussing such a broad subject right now .
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I'm not saying they are totally similar, just that they have similarities in their own way, just as Jean has with Dietrich, and Dietrich with Raki (in that regard, because of the tragic pasts).
And of course the ambiguity often helps; I said that....because, aside from the mystery being fun and sometimes better to remain mystery, it, again, doesn't necessarily give us a reason to assume that Jean is the way she is because of something to happen to her....she just came out a beautiful honorable person.
, If it makes you feel any better, don't forget....I'm not crazy about the Jean/Raki comparison either - I'm not sure why; It seemed pretty obvious....but going forward enough to actually
say it and think about it....
It just stuck out like a sore-thumb, and not because it's necessarily wrong - I guess it just has more truth then people thought *shrug.
Who knows, I hope I didn't ruin anything
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I know... but it came out of the blue since we are to speculate here, not ascertain one's personality/nature. It's not like I'm saying I'm on the right side because I know all of it... I do rely on my pure (sometimes lame) hunch what could have happened to them and yes, there's no reason not to assume something we imagine, but we do try to deal with logics and coherences that actually match there colors.
Be it Jean or Dietrich, both of them can be a good-natured person if you want them to be, but you do need a reason when repaying your debts out of your sense of duty as I insist myself. It's not about what type of person you are, but how you act/react in front of certain situations. I think even the optimistic well-mannered Cynthia would lose her temper if she lost her comrades right in front of her eyes (the ghosts in this case). No matter how good/honorable a person is, Jean was willing to desert the org at the moment she had taken the suppressant pills even if the org had saved her or not in the past for example.
So, what I'm trying to tell you is, it doesn't matter if your a good/crazy person by nature or tragic past, you will act a good/crazy person either way. For example, Dietrich didn't say plainly her loyal senses strenghtened because of her tragic past or because the org let her in... simply, that's the way she is.
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In a sense, you are basically agreeing with me...that people don't necessarily need a pretext to be who they are; it could simply be how they've always been since Day 1.
Obviously that doesn't mean they don't have their limits....like you said, Cynthia would lose her patience (actually, especially her...when we learned how much she was suffering because of Veronica's death, it was a realization that much of her bubbly personality was forced
), Jean would abandon the Org (as would Priscilla
)...
What matters is to be who you are no matter what anybody says....if Jean (or Priscilla's) loyalty to the Org would be broken because something about her was threatening to be undermined, such as the necessity to repay a debt to somebody....so be it. Obviously events change people, as you say......being such an honorable person in a cruel cruel world, it must have been extremely hard for someone like Jean who is surrounded by many people who, let's face it, aren't like her at all....however, by still being that way in the face of all the hardships she undoubtedly faced from people who probably didn't have a smidgen of the honor she probably gave them, it must have taken incredible strength-of-heart....the same for Cynthia and her happiness despite her hurt, Dietrich's own honor, and Priscilla's tragic past.
Bottom-line, you don't necessarily need a reason to be who you want to be, nor should reality force you to change.....obviously, **** happens and people can change for better/worse because of a single event......by staying who you are though no matter was, shows incredible courage and inner-strength. That doesn't mean you have to be stupid and let people walk over you (As you said, Jean wouldn't return to the Org for example)....it's just a matter of resilience - of being strong enough to be who you want to be, the world and everyone else in it be damned.
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...Okay. So in short there love for humanity makes the 4 of them alike, right? Now I kinda get the image of other warriors caring about ppl's safety not as much as those 4 since Clare and Yuma are the types of top prioritizing there mission of slaying yomas. Oh, now that we mention it, we missed Flora too as one well-mannered class. There way of speech in the anime kinda reminded me of Sakura from F/SN adding "-san" at the end of the sentence
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....Well.....yeah it's true - like I said, because of everything that's happened to them, the stigma of being a "silver-eyed witch", the cold isolated life.....just everything they are going through; it's not a tremondously huge shock that most warriors simply don't care for human beings (or even still consider themselves such) the way Cynthia does.....the fact that she does, and the others do, is a testament to her fierce strength.
UGH, I hate that honorific-stuff - Cynthia I'm 50/50 since she's really the only character, but I still groan whenever I see her using them in certain chapter scanlations....it just turns me off.
Flora?.......Nah, don't be fooled - she's just fluffy in appearance; she's a cold leader just like Miria (seemingly) was......sure, I wouldn't be surprised if she really was as pretty inside as her hair was (
).....but, back in the day, I remember Yosei and several other people loving her (and Galatea actually, and the more beautiful characters) like crazy, making her out to be this regal soft-hearted person.....when in, all actuality, she really wasn't. Flora, as a whole actually, was made out by making people to be more akin to Cynthia or Yuma actually.
Again sure, maybe she really is as sweet underneath as people made her out to be; wouldn't surprise me....but if we're going straight by what we saw in the manga, it's all a major no-no.
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I get your point, but hey, weren't you just mentioning about the lack of info, we haven't seen enough the so called Ambiguity? I mean, Priscilla could have stood against the org if she knew about the fact they where the ones creating the yomas IF she grew up and steadied her beliefs, but we're talking about her mental unstability at that time she lacked the control over her temper and logical reasoning over the situations given due to her inexperience. With Cynthia yes, they did share the same purpose of protecting the mankind with justice, however, her basis when kid was too straight-forward to be called a reasoning to distint between right and wrong. I don't blame her because of her early age, but am only stating the fact things couldn't be helped when this "man-killing machine" made fun of her and Priscilla just lost her mind.
Anyways, I really did feel this air pressure of sarcasm when read this fragment
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Well, obviously she wasn't a warrior for very long....I'm going by everything we knew about her to try to guess as accurately as I can what kind of 'route' and person she would grow up to be. Your criticisms are all because she was childish and inexperienced, which she admittingly was.....obviously though, had things been different, and she been exposed to several key truths, things would have been
vastly different.
And if you look at her human-persona now, you can still see all sorts of signs of evidence of her remaining benevolence....the biggest in my opinion, being staving off eating human beings for seven straight years.....It couldn't go on forever, but no other Awakened Being has ever done something like that before. That kind of willpower truly is amazing.
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Not that I am defending the org's position, but we did witness there uneasiness over the incident in Pieta being crumbled so easily... which means they where whether concerned about Alicia/Beth's completion to be disturbed or getting short-handed when they lost a large amount of 24 tools before them. Maybe it would have been logical if they had some capable trainees that could replace those 24 but as we know, the new gen warriors where pure garbage as hell and I can't say the org was playing an all or nothing gamble as they solely relied on Alicia/Beth.
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Pretty much, that's what it all was -- they didn't care for getting a entire generation of weak 'docile' fillers, because they had their trump card(s)....they've become increasingly reckless, self-destructive and wishy-washy -- it completely figures that they are in the disastrous situation they are in now....the only reason it hasn't been worse off for them, is Yagi giving them a ridiculous, and somewhat excessive, amount of secret research/super-weapons going on behind the scenes (the ZAO corpses, the Abyssal Eaters, the supposed male AB lab...).
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Nope, not the emoticons but the overall sensation of a girly girl saying "Awww" when being praised and how of a smooth talker you where. Oh and your Priscilla AV you had (don't know if it was Clarice tho since she was brunette)
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*blink blink.....I think you were talking about my last avatar which was Priscilla
(I don't think I've ever had an avatar of any other character, actually) - Clarice's and Priscilla's hairstyles are actually pretty different if you look at them carefully enough, as is most characters from eachother....even if Yagi has gotten pretty lazy lately >_>
You also sort of implied by the way that males can't be smooth-talkers >_<
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but the tech to make something on that scale is 20th century stuff (at least the tech to DRILL UNDER AND OCEAN is, maybe with enough math they could drill in the right direction without 20th century tech but that deep and without a labor force equaling that of the great wall of china (and yet it still be a secret base on the other end, I mean there's just no way the yoma could have eaten the entire work force in a few hours and with non escaping or leaving clues behind 
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