2013-08-03, 07:14 | Link #4581 | |
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Yes "survivors" must probably refer to the ones that are known to have survived which are merely the children. But notice how this time it does not "include the dead as well". So it must be once again either Kanon or someone from the shed.
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2013-08-03, 07:27 | Link #4582 | |
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However I can't figure out a motive for her that makes sense in the long run. In ep2 she does have a clear motive, bt it doesnt really apply to ep1. She is confirmed dead in ep3 (Unless going back to Shannon=/=Sayo) and in ep4 everyone but Battler dies even before the "event". So still thinking.
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2013-08-03, 08:14 | Link #4583 | |
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1. Simultanous murder, but for that two people would have to be in immidiate line of sight and both would need to have weapons next to their corpses, unless one of the two only got "wounded" and could move a bit before bleeding out. But this would most likely leave a trail of blood. 2. Death by suicide 3. Death by accident 4. Death by illness Also the only one who Battler did not find was Kanon. But his death was confirmed in red. Thanks to the red truth at the end we also know for sure that no one was playing dead until the end. But who was "Beatrice" then? It must have been one of the 17 of course. And that person must be a skilled actor and most likely the culprit as well. Also regarding EP1: If Shannon was really one of the culprits, then Hideyoshi and Kanon would both have to be accomplices as well, as they claimed that there was Shannon's corpse with a half smashed face. So if Shannon would be indeed an accomplice/murderer then Kanon was as well. However the reverse does not apply. Kanon could always be the sole culprit without the help of anyone but Nanjo.
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2013-08-03, 08:38 | Link #4584 |
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Well, for now I decided to go backwards and try take a shot at ep4. While trampling Shannon's and Kanon's reputation into dust.
And will also borrow "Kanon is ill" GreyZone's theory as it helps a lot. It's kinda over the top, but I think is plausable Spoiler for Episode 4:
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2013-08-03, 08:58 | Link #4585 |
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I'll be honest. I think you have solved about 55% of EP4 correctly. As measurement for that I used all your paragraphes that you seperated by bold titles. You had 10 of those. So if something was wrong I gave 0%, for something that was partially right I gave 5% and for something that was almost or completely correct I gave 10% per paragraph. Of course this only applies to my own understanding of the events and that is not 100% assured to be right.
Regarding "Kanon is ill": Is there any indication for that anywhere in the story? In EP1 there must also be someone who put the stake where it was.
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2013-08-03, 09:17 | Link #4586 | |
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I'm not a doctor so cant say of what if any it could be an indication, hovewer Anyone who works physicly should have muscle growth and become stronger over time. The fact that Kanon does not become stronger after working for 2-3 years does infact raise some questions. And 55% sounds pretty decent considering how insane that ep was. Ofc that's only of mysteries what I mentioned. There's still stuff like the two diaries, epitaph, etc.
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2013-08-03, 11:19 | Link #4587 | |
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Also, another thing I noticed is, you described the descriptions found after 1986 as "diaries", but they were rather like rather elaborate letters in a bottle. |
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I think you're doing an awesome work.
I wish I had the chance to search for the solution episode by episode but when I started Umineko I had no idea it was solvable and I feared we would get a 'Rokkenjima syndrome' solution or worse that the whole point of the series was to prove the witch existed. It didn't help that I began with the anime which cuts lot of stuffs... -_- So my detective game with Umineko began with EP 5, when a friend persuaded me to read the VN and assured me Umineko was solvable... *sighs* it would have been much funnier if I had known from the beginning... Quote:
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If there's not could they have lied for a different reason? I also love this solution though this solution also implies no premeditation but just an incident (or accident, I can never remember which of the two I should use... :P ) |
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a) threatened and lying b) lying because they're involved And you can't blame insanity when 4+ people describe the same thing in same details.
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