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2012-10-14, 01:38 | Link #4602 |
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So? What're you trying to say?
If you're trying to persuade me otherwise, do try to use logic and actual quotes to support your argument, difficult as it may seem. I'm not going to convince myself for you, y'know? If this entire discussion was supposed to be mere idle theorising (纸上谈兵, we do seem to speak a different language at times) based on personal opinion and interpretation, then I apologise in advance. |
2012-10-14, 01:46 | Link #4603 | |
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2012-10-14, 04:15 | Link #4604 | |
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2012-10-14, 05:31 | Link #4606 |
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I don't feel worked up myself, but somehow, it seems to me that the discussion has progressed as though it has touched someone's nerves. It has turned somewhat hostile, I can't tell if there's sarcasm here. So yeah, the discussion is whether Godou has too many flaws.Let's not drift into an area that might lead to something nasty.
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2012-10-14, 06:42 | Link #4607 |
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Hmm, I see your point. However, there is a fundamental flaw there. You are making the assumption that whatever holds true in classic mythology would also hold true in the world of Campione. The author has never said anything about that, hence it is not implied, but rather an assumption.
Again, it's not that I'm attacking your opinion/interpretation, all along my point was that if you're going to be making such sweeping statements you should clearly state that it is merely speculation and not use the wrong English verbs, to prevent widespread misinformation and misunderstandings. Well, my original point was that Perseus didn't use an 'underhanded' trick, but they kept on drifting further away from that (god knows why). |
2012-10-14, 07:12 | Link #4608 | |
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2012-10-14, 08:05 | Link #4609 | |
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And if he wasn't a real person, do the events happening in myths and legends count as "real"? I'm not really clear on whether the Gods always exist, just in another realm, or they are just imaginary figures that have the nasty habit of spontaneously erupting from the collective human imagination into reality. Or is there no real difference? Anyway, back to the rape thing, even if was "unwilling", if the Gods aren't really "real", then can you actually say that something that happened in the stories actually happened? So if Perseus never existed, then he really couldn't have raped Andromeda, as it never actually happened. My apologies if I'm not being clear. |
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2012-10-14, 08:19 | Link #4611 | ||
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2012-10-14, 09:16 | Link #4612 | |
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So it would depend on whether the original myth of Perseus was simply a fabricated story, or a reflection of real events. I was wondering, if the legend of Perseus was rooted in a historical event, would the real/original Perseus have been a Campione? |
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2012-10-14, 09:56 | Link #4614 | |
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There's also the question of whether Perseus, if he was an actual person, really was a Demi-god, or whether being the son of Zeus was simply myth. As Zeus would have to have been a Heretic God to sire Perseus. Of course, it would be interesting if Zeus was currently like Susanoo, hanging around in the Astral Plane, having calmed down from his youth. |
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2012-10-14, 12:12 | Link #4615 |
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*Sigh* every Campione so far is human of origin. No matter how much human blood is in a Demi God, he is still a being beyond Human. All Gods are originally Myths and thus their being is the myth themselves. The Myths themselves don't need to make sense, if there are many who believe in them then the Myth manifest into beings called Gods.
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2012-10-14, 13:10 | Link #4616 | |
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And where did that last part come from? I was talking about Perseus, the hypothetical historcal figure, and wondering if he truly was a Demi-god, or if the stories made him one. Campiones do derive their powers from the Gods they've killed, and are the adopted children of Pandora, so you could easily consider them a type of Demi-god. In which case, the story could have changed so Zeus became his father. Hell, look at it the right way, and the God a Campione first kills could be considered a "parent". In fact, I would not be surprised if multiple mythological/legendary heroes were actually Campione's. Of course, this is all idle speculation on my part, based on a limited understanding on the translated books. Feel free to correct me on any points I make, but I do ask you provide evidence if your not speculating as well. |
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2012-10-14, 13:40 | Link #4617 |
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*Sigh* I am getting a bit tired of debating this. My explanation is quite simple to understand, I usually don't point out answers for people's questions, I usually provide information for them to answer themselves like here. Gods are born of Myths, therefore their origin is born from the belief of those myths. Human beings are animals born from each other so therefore they are not Myths. Quite impossible for Perseus to be a Campione since he originated from Myths. As for beings who can become Campiones, any human can as long as Pandora's requirements are fulfilled. Essentially all that is needed is a couple of miracles and the sacrifice of a God. Reread Vol 3, Erica's explanations are quite simple to explain what Campiones are. Only humans can become Campiones. The Moderators are probably not going to enjoy me posting this, but here is a piece
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2012-10-14, 18:30 | Link #4618 | |
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I'm also just putting out some idle speculation on whether all the Demi-gods of mythology were actually Demi-gods, or whether some of them were actually Campione's, with the facts distorted by time and distance. This obviously doesn't include ones who were entirely made up. Anyway, I do accept the logic that a Demi-god can't become a Campione, I'm just asking if that was directly stated, implied or was simply inferred. That's all I'm asking, nothing else. I apologize profosely if I gave you the wrong impression, and for any frustration it might have caused you. |
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2012-10-14, 19:58 | Link #4619 |
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I think it's a valid question, though "demi-god" needs to be clarified first.
As far as we know, Heretic Gods don't bear children with humans, so there aren't any demi-god offspring born from such a union. Subordinate gods like Ama no Murakumo no Tsurugi are not human to begin with, while Ena in divine possession could be considered in a semi-divine state but she's still human. So actual demi-gods becoming Campiones is a non-issue, but it doesn't rule out characters known as demi-gods in legend from being actual Campiones in history. It's entirely plausible for an ancient Campione to slay multiple gods and gain their authorities, thereby engendering new legends of a god-like being with elements from his progenitors. That could be one way for seemingly disparate deities to suddenly get associated with one another.
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2012-10-14, 20:26 | Link #4620 | |
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As for Demi-gods, it appears that Hime-Miko are descendants of Divine Ancestors, so it certainly doesn't rule out the possibility of Heretic Gods having children with humans. Though they would probably be sexual deviants or view it as using a toy. Last edited by Gore17; 2012-10-14 at 20:45. |
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