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Rising Dragon · 2013-11-18, 21:39

Mordred typically refers to herself with male pronouns, but it's been confirmed that Mordred's biologically female.

bhl88 · 2013-11-18, 22:14

Also hates being called a woman.

Brother Coa · 2013-11-19, 01:31

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Why does Mordred look exactly the same as Saber and why does he refer to Saber as father?

According to Legend Mordred was a son fro mone of Arthur's sisters, he was the one who tried to overtook the throne from Arthur by rebelling half of his nations against him. In the final battle Arthur was able to defeat him but not before he himself received mortal wound as well.

In Fate universe is mostly the same, since Arthur was in face Arthuria she needed beside wife also a son to cover up for her real identity. So Mordred became her son, but in Fate universe Mordred was also a female.

In F/SN anime you have the scene where both of them fight and where Mordred wounds her fatally, after she received that wound it was Bedivere who found her on a field of battle and brought her to woods where she died in the end.

Cherry_Lover · 2013-11-19, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Brother Coa

In Fate universe is mostly the same, since Arthur was in face Arthuria she needed beside wife also a son to cover up for her real identity. So Mordred became her son, but in Fate universe Mordred was also a female.

Not quite. Mordred was not conceived intentionally (at least on Saber's part), and Saber never really recognised him as her son as such. She knew he would not be suitable as an heir.

Stanfoo · 2013-11-19, 18:19

What caused Kiritsugus death? I thought it was because of the grail cursing him in F/Z, but at the end of F/SN Kirei says he killed him.

blitz1/2 · 2013-11-19, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Stanfoo

What caused Kiritsugus death? I thought it was because of the grail cursing him in F/Z, but at the end of F/SN Kirei says he killed him.

It's the Grail, one can say that it was Angri Mainyuu talking THROUGH kirei.

chaos_alfa · 2013-11-19, 19:45

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Originally Posted by Stanfoo

What caused Kiritsugus death? I thought it was because of the grail cursing him in F/Z, but at the end of F/SN Kirei says he killed him.

It was because of the Grail cursing him. Kirei could have meant he indirectly killed him, but the inconsistency has probably more to do with Fate/Zero having been written after Fate/Stay Night. It isn't the only inconsistency you will encounter. For example Saber claims to have fought Gilgamesh in the 4th Grail War, but in Fate/Zero you can see they haven't even exchange one blow. (I don't count hitting the Grail behind Gilgamesh, it was even an involuntary action, because Saber was forced to do it by the Command Spell.)

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It's the Grail, one can say that it was Angri Mainyuu talking THROUGH kirei.

Which actions of Kirei would be associated with "Angri Mainyuu talking THROUGH kirei"?

Rising Dragon · 2013-11-19, 19:52

That she was on the defensive the entire time doesn't mean it wasn't a fight.

Stanfoo · 2013-11-21, 02:57

Introduced my friend to FSN and he had a question after watching ep 1 which I could not answer with certainty. "How did Shirou get his powers?" referring to Shirou's "trace on" ability.

bhl88 · 2013-11-21, 03:00

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Introduced my friend to FSN and he had a question after watching ep 1 which I could not answer with certainty. "How did Shirou get his powers?" referring to Shirou's "trace on" ability.

The sheath of Excalibur in his body changed his element to Sword.

Stanfoo · 2013-11-21, 03:19

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Introduced my friend to FSN and he had a question after watching ep 1 which I could not answer with certainty. "How did Shirou get his powers?" referring to Shirou's "trace on" ability.

I misspoke, it's not Shirou's "trace on" (projection) ability but rather his basic reinforcement ability and how he can see inside objects, like when he was fixing the school's things.

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The sheath of Excalibur in his body changed his element to Sword.

What do you mean by changing his element to Sword? Also I made a mistake in my earlier post.

Rising Dragon · 2013-11-21, 03:23

Simply that: whatever Shirou's Element was prior to gaining Avalon, it was changed to the Element of "Sword" when Avalon was conceptualized within him. Similarly, his Origin was changed to that of "Sword" due to the scabbard.

As for his basic Reinforcement abilities, that's a basic Magecraft skill that's otherwise useless. It was taught to him by Kiritsugu.

Stanfoo · 2013-11-21, 03:27

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Simply that: whatever Shirou's Element was prior to gaining Avalon, it was changed to the Element of "Sword" when Avalon was conceptualized within him. Similarly, his Origin was changed to that of "Sword" due to the scabbard.

As for his basic Reinforcement abilities, that's a basic Magecraft skill that's otherwise useless. It was taught to him by Kiritsugu.

I see, thanks.

Dengar · 2013-11-21, 11:46

To be fair, Kotomine is always one to glorify the truth without actually lying about it. It is a fact that the grail aligned with Kotomine's thinking, and indeed did heed his wish in the end. It is what caused the destruction of that neighborhood and also what killed Kiritsugu. In that respect, one could say that Kotomine -did- kill Kiritsugu.

DaItalianFish · 2013-11-21, 16:42

So, question about Holy Grail wish granting process (obviously involves spoilers about truth of grail)

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Early Fate/hollow Ataraxia spoilers

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Might be hard to get a answer considering I doubt many here have played F/HA, but might as well try anyway.

Fireminer · 2013-11-21, 18:53

Could anyone find a logical way to explain Gilgamesh's obsession with Saber?

GDB · 2013-11-21, 19:16

She reminds him of Enkidu.

chaos_alfa · 2013-11-21, 19:19

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Could anyone find a logical way to explain Gilgamesh's obsession with Saber?

He got fascinated by her struggle against insufferable odds to save her county. There aren't many people who would be able to go to such length as her and not give up.
He wants to posses anything of great value and/or beauty. In his eyes Saber fits in this category, because he finds Saber's struggle and obsession beautiful.

Spoiler for Fate/Zero Light Novel Quote:

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The many wounds on Saber’s body could not stop her; roaring, she swung her sword at Archer. But after having made only a single step, her left leg was immediately pierced through by a Noble Phantasm that shot out of the air.

Saber fell to the floor, but gritted her teeth to prevent herself from groaning. Looking around, she saw groups of weapons from the Gate of Babylon continually appear in midair, all directed toward her, ready to be launched at any time.

As soon as their owner gave the order, countless primeval Noble Phantasms would shoot in unison toward Saber. She had literally become the target of a thousand arrows (3). As her left leg had been previously pierced through, she could not even dodge.

"Saber… this sight of you crouched on the ground, fallen into this presumptuous obsession, makes you even more beautiful…

Archer’s blood-red eyes held an uncomfortable emotion as he looked at Saber, who despite being mired in a hopeless situation, was still intending to make a final struggle.

"I don’t know why you are so obsessed with some wish-granting Grail. Saber… the fact that a woman like you exists can already be considered a rare miracle, no?”

Archer’s tone was unnaturally calm, as if it was not a dangerous enemy that was before him. This calm made the cornered Saber suspicious.

"What… are you saying—“

"Throw away your sword, and be my wife.”

In this situation, in this circumstance, Archer’s words surprised Saber. She was stunned by the sheer unexpectedness of it.

"... Wh—what did you say… What are you going to do!?”

“Even if you don’t understand, don’t you feel happy to hear such words? It is not anyone else, but I, who have admitted your worth.”

Perhaps only Archer alone would think that such a conclusion was a matter of course. The golden Servant arrogantly lifted his head, looking before him at the first woman he had ever loved.

"Abandon these pointless ideals and vows. These things will only restrict you and bring you misfortune. In future you need only desire me and live under my protection. In that case I vow, on my honor as King of everything, that I will grant you all the happiness in the world.”

Fireminer · 2013-11-21, 19:33

Thanks! And either way, Shirou always truimph!

But that remind me, how much connection is there between Kara no Kyodai and Fate? I've never played the former.

GDB · 2013-11-21, 19:38

Pretty sure Kara no Kyoukai is just anime and novels, no game. That said, there's a connection at the end of Heaven's Feel, but that's about all.

2013-11-18, 21:39	Link #4601
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Mordred typically refers to herself with male pronouns, but it's been confirmed that Mordred's biologically female. __________________

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bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	Also hates being called a woman. __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	That she was on the defensive the entire time doesn't mean it wasn't a fight. __________________

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Simply that: whatever Shirou's Element was prior to gaining Avalon, it was changed to the Element of "Sword" when Avalon was conceptualized within him. Similarly, his Origin was changed to that of "Sword" due to the scabbard. As for his basic Reinforcement abilities, that's a basic Magecraft skill that's otherwise useless. It was taught to him by Kiritsugu. __________________

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Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	To be fair, Kotomine is always one to glorify the truth without actually lying about it. It is a fact that the grail aligned with Kotomine's thinking, and indeed did heed his wish in the end. It is what caused the destruction of that neighborhood and also what killed Kiritsugu. In that respect, one could say that Kotomine -did- kill Kiritsugu. Last edited by Dengar; 2013-11-21 at 12:11.

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Stanfoo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013	What caused Kiritsugus death? I thought it was because of the grail cursing him in F/Z, but at the end of F/SN Kirei says he killed him.

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Stanfoo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013	Introduced my friend to FSN and he had a question after watching ep 1 which I could not answer with certainty. "How did Shirou get his powers?" referring to Shirou's "trace on" ability.

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DaItalianFish Member Join Date: Aug 2013	So, question about Holy Grail wish granting process (obviously involves spoilers about truth of grail) Spoiler: What part does Angra Mainyu playing in the wish granting process? Obviously whenever someone wishes upon the Grail their wish ends up turning into destruction, but that is as a result of AM doing it so he can be born into the world. Early Fate/hollow Ataraxia spoilers Spoiler: Now in F/HA AM chooses to grant Bazzett's wish to live. Now seeing as it isn't translated I have no idea the specifics and have to go off of TypeMoon wiki. But would this mean that AM has the choice to grant wishes? If he wanted, could he allow the Grail to grant someone's wish? For example, ignoring Angra Mainyu's personality, say Kiritsugu asked for a truck full of icecream at the end of F/Z; could AM decide "sure, why not" and let the Grail do the process? Might be hard to get a answer considering I doubt many here have played F/HA, but might as well try anyway.

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Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Could anyone find a logical way to explain Gilgamesh's obsession with Saber?

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	She reminds him of Enkidu.

2013-11-21, 19:33	Link #4619
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Thanks! And either way, Shirou always truimph! But that remind me, how much connection is there between Kara no Kyodai and Fate? I've never played the former.

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Pretty sure Kara no Kyoukai is just anime and novels, no game. That said, there's a connection at the end of Heaven's Feel, but that's about all.