2012-05-05, 00:01 | Link #461 | |
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AKB48 made 233 million USD, just last year. And even their handshake event (just to shake hand with AKB) need to be held in dome stadiums because the biggest event had over 80k people in one day, and this is not even a concert. Not to mention they sold 1 million copies in 2 days or less for all 5 of their singles released in 2011 (combine of over 8 million copies), and their songs rank first on Recochoku, which is the most popular digital chart of Japan, digital full song, ring tone, and video chart when release I'm pretty sure.........AKB is more popular........... I got nothing against Vocaloid since I have fanart of them on my DA, but I honestly think that most of the following they have come from the anime fandom, not the mainstream people. People know them but doesn't mean they're fans.
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2012-05-05, 00:49 | Link #462 |
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Okada is not that bad when she has a lot of material from someone who knows how to write, as long as she keeps things short. Toradora had many identity crises during its run. True Tears was shorter and better.
Divide that by ten or show groups and it not that impressive... that is if sales are of any significance to the anime Dunno, before the anime announcement, the only time I remember hearing about them was about a certain type of liquid on the hands of some fans during a handshaking event |
2012-05-05, 01:03 | Link #463 | |
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Sales aren't related to the anime but since me and that other poster were talking about popularity, being the only artist in Japan who can sell over 1 million copies in physical and sell well digital is pretty solid prove of popularity. That was S/mileage, another idol group from Hello!Project that's not related to the 48 at all. It's not AKB, Sankaku...is....just........ My friend went to 5 events, she said nothing happen, the staff personally check each person hand before they can even touch the girls.
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2012-05-05, 01:19 | Link #464 | |
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Money earned is not a valid comparison of popularity either. Given how AKB fleeces their fans and how they are nutty enough to buy multiple copies of the same disk for a handshake. Vocaloid sells more disks when you count total sales by a significant amount. Though if you compare either of these groups to a real property from Johnny's neither one is worth anything in particular. But vocaloid was never about making money considering how many tracks are given away for free and how cheap most of the paraphernalia is sold for. However, if you compare the degree of recognition of the vocaloid characters vs AKB in Japan vocaloid has them beaten. Actually ask 10 people in Japan on the street, I can guarantee no one can name even one AKB member besides Takamina. I don't even need to mention the songs. None of the songs prior to Heavy Rotation are known at all. And only a handful after that are well known. As for filling stadiums Vocaloids do that too. Just as often as AKB does. The only difference is that people don't openly support Vocaloids because of their Otaku associations, so most of that support comes from the dark. Anyway, that's enough of that. TLDR The real gist of it is, AKB as a group are about as popular as a typical B list group. 255 million is actually a ridiculously small amount for 48 artists to bringing in in 1 year. Individually, outside of Takamina they have no star power at all. Yes, AKB is popular, but you are mistaken if you think they are THAT popular.
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2012-05-05, 01:33 | Link #465 |
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To my understanding AKB are not one band, but several, changing line-ups continually and use a pool of about 100 singers to produce five songs per year... all these are targeted at selling a product rather than making art... not that there is anything wrong with that
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Of course most of the songs before HR aren't know..AKB were nobodies before River but even after that, HR, and Beginner launched them. Even so, are you telling me the songs that topped 1st on RIAJ, Billboard, and Oricon aren't well known? come on.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKB48_discography Quote:
Yes I do believe they are that popular..considering you can't walk in Tokyo without running into them every 5 minute... Or that Hebirote was top Karaoke song in Japan for 45 weeks in a row...or that AKB members are one of the top CM appearances. You can't honestly say they're B class? Come on.... Seriously how many people in Japan can bring that much people to just a handshake event? Either way I honestly don't care much about arguing so w/e OMFG YUKA SO CUTE~~ >3<
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2012-05-05, 05:48 | Link #467 |
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By the way, we're sorry about the delay in fixing the thread title. As silly as this seems, an anti-shouting feature was preventing us from making the "AKB" all-caps. Thanks to everyone who notified us about it.
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2012-05-05, 12:20 | Link #471 |
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The fact that AKB isn't shy of having their members die, get beaten up, beat up other people, spit blood or lose body parts actually makes you hopeful that this show won't be full of fluff and cute girls singing cute songs. I feel about this show like I felt about Madoka : Something I wouldn't have watched if it didn't give you this ominous feeling that shit is gonna go down
(which I guess is why people were mentioning it in relation to this show- nothing to do with profit or fanbase it attracts) Hmm, I was wondering how AKB does in terms of money as well- is 233 Million their actual income (and thus just dividable by the number of members) or do we still have to deduct everyone's fees and costs and expenses (such as trainers, agents etc)? Because I sure hope these girls are at least making decent cash for what they do. I feel like none of them has any future prospects, and neither do they as mochichan mentioned in a quote a few pages back so hopefully they're at least making good cash out of their idol careers Btw, that story about liquid on hands is just gross :S Who does that? |
2012-05-05, 12:33 | Link #472 | |
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The agencies get 15%, the rest go to the girl. IDK how it work if they're doing activities under "AKB" name but the solo activities don't have to split among the other members. So basically top members get the most money, the unpopular ones don't get as much but that's life. AKB members aren't actually run by one company but different agencies like HoriPro, Watanabe etc when they're not doing activities as AKB so if they don't get promote, it's because the agency is too small to pull strings most likely. I've already PMed you answer the last part. Many of the girls have established jobs in things like fashion, or acting. Oshima Yuko was actually the 3rd most anticipated actress of 2012 so no worry. IDK how popular these girls will be but most of them have a stable job in the industry after graduation, Oshima Mai is now a host on variety talk show as well as singing, Erena Ono just released her first single. IDK about the less popular ones but the management is doing their best to give the girls that want to act acting jobs, and the ones that want to be seiyuus this anime, since beside Mayuyu and Kuumin, none of the casts are popular so this was based on skill.
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To make things clear, those attending AKB handshake events have, apart from carrying tickets, their hands closely checked by overseers before being let into the queue to make contact with the girls, and fans are strictly allowed only 10 seconds of handshaking and greeting before moving on... and BTW, at their stations the girls periodically apply some hand sanitizer to keep safe.
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This concept wouldn't work, if their fans weren't like that, so they have to specifically appeal to people likely to "obsess" in this way- being willing to spend money on anything they offer. (As someone said they "fleece" their fans. I don't think that's true: If the fans are willing to pay for whatever, then that's their problem, not AKB's.) They just have a clever marketing strategy. Quote:
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The older girls represent the “old AKB,” that’s why they’re wearing burned EbiK clothes from last year. The younger girls represent the future of AKB. They’re working hard to save the older ones meaning in the future, AKB will be depending on them, but the younger one still need the older ones to guide them so they tried to save them, perform CPR etc. The media called this the “Heaven and Hell” concept so I’m guessing whatever place they’re in, it’s like “hell.” By carrying the older ones and going up the mountain/hole, they’re rising out of hell. What wait for them is heaven (popularity, dream fulfilled, happiness) but it won’t happen without suffering. That’s why everyone was coughing up smoke blood. Through their sufferings, they arrived at heaven (and I guess Japanese’s heaven look like a beach with kawaii bikini girls ;P) The bikini scene is just random and it probably threw in because the song is a summer song. Summer -> beach -> bikini. But in the full drama ver, the bikinis won't be there. That part is the dance shot, the other part is the drama, so they're 2 separate ver that was put together.
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2012-05-05, 21:11 | Link #477 |
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Now there are pre-orders at Amazon, but what left me blinking is the initial price per BR volume.
1890 yen, 10% off from the retail price of 2000 yen, and that's for the BR.
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That's pretty low :O
That's price is only a little more expensive than an AKB singles Well at least I can afford this one....considering AKB DVD box for Request Hour is like $250.... I guess they figured if they set it low, people would be more likely to buy it.
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