(L+CR) Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru

[xizro345]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That's not true. When did the others help Yuuna, emotionally speaking? Never. She never needs such help to begin with. They all fight together but that's all.

While she helps everybody, she also is especially attached to the Hero Club and Togo, it's pretty evident. She is defined by them as much as the others are defined by her.

Also, I'd like to point out that this series hasn't anything "defined" that can be the target of the viewer anger. In Madoka, it was Kyubei. But here, the Taisha and Shinju are, for now, very far and away from the discussion and events. They do something that for the group is basically something that they don't understand, save for the direct implications.

[c933103]

Washiosumi 4koma updated

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by xizro345

While she helps everybody, she also is especially attached to the Hero Club and Togo, it's pretty evident. She is defined by them as much as the others are defined by her.

But it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't really needs their help (emotionally speaking). The gap between her and the others is too obvious. It's true that only Yuuna seems like a real hero, and it shouldn't be like that. If nothing else, she should have her moments of emotional weakness too. There should be moments when she truly relies in her friends to stand up after a fall. As is, her relationship with the club is pretty one-sided.

[glyphz]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Then they should have made the others more like side characters and center the show more on Yuuna. But here all of them have almost equal share of attention and screen time. That's why it'ss so annoying that only Yuuna gets a personality to match the job.
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That's not the point.

Each of them is different, and this show is more about the girls' struggle (& resolve) over this 'hero' dilemma they're stuck in, IMO. They won't react the same. Not everyone has the personality to match being a 'hero.' Even among those who 'fight for good.'

Yuna, based on those LN spoilers, was the hero candidate w/ the most promise/aptitude (out of all of them). She proves it throughout this series, esp. this episode and probably in the last ones

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

But it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't really needs their help (emotionally speaking). The gap between her and the others is too obvious. It's true that only Yuuna seems like a real hero, and it shouldn't be like that. If nothing else, she should have her moments of emotional weakness too. There should be moments when she truly relies in her friends to stand up after a fall. As is, her relationship with the club is pretty one-sided.

I'm definitely sure she is very much troubled as well. The show just hasn't focused on it.

[Miraluka]

It will eventually happen, but just not yet.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by glyphz

Each of them is different

That's besides the point.

Yuna, based on those LN spoilers, was the hero candidate w/ the most promise/aptitude. She proves it throughout this series, esp. this episode and probably in the last ones

Then don't make 5 main characters. Have only one, with the rest as side characters. It's pointless to have a hero team of 5 main characters when only one has what it takes to be a hero.

Originally Posted by glyphz

I'm definitely sure she is very much troubled as well. The show just hasn't focused on it.

There's no point if she's not troubled enough to need help.

[Miraluka]

I think Yuuna is stepping up for her friends sake or else had she fell on despair then the whole team would be doomed.

When the time comes it will be them stepping out for Yuuna's sake.

[glyphz]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

"Then don't make 5 main characters. Have only one, with the rest as side characters. It's pointless to have 5 main characters when only one has what it takes to be a hero."

*shrugs shoulders*

I do not have the answers to your critiques to this show, I'm afraid.

I can only suggest we wait and see how the last episodes unfold.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

When the time comes it will be them stepping out for Yuuna's sake.

I would be glad if that happens, at least. I doubt it will though.

[Miraluka]

This episode won the WIFF award.

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by gecd

is it only me who see Yuuna's Mankai gauge is full already?

No mistake. She got three petals in the last episode and two in this fight. It's as I suspected, the gauge is easier to fill the next time around.

[Pablete]

Originally Posted by gecd

Spoiler for ep9:

- yuusha can't die because spirits will protect them , even from suicide attempt
- turn out they can henshin in real world
- dat Fuu's breakdown ;_;

clearly Takahiro had lost interest in Akame and now pouring his sadistic desire on this anime

Itsuki = loli Raback?

[bastek66]

Official site added shitload of icons/avatars so make watchers feel better after this episode
They know what's good

Spoiler for SURPRISE BEST ONE:

[Flower]

Ep 09

A good follow up from the last ep for me. Hopefully they can continue to finish this series in a strong manner.

I did not feel this ep was anything to the level of despair...it was sad, yes, and the situation the characters have found themselves in is a terribly sad one. But it is not a meaningless situation. At least not that we have seen yet as far as I can remember. Essentially they are sacrificing their lives for others. It is very true that some people find themselves in a position where there was an outside possibility of sacrificing themselves and do not mind because it is remote, but when they find themselves tricked or forced into a situation they falter, whether because of their own situation or that of others.

The question is whether they have been deceived in that aspect. If they were brought into the hero system to protect and support a state that is actually horribly corrupt then it will get into the realms of despair filled situations. I guess in that case it could be seen as a comment on why many wars have been fought through the millenia or the like by focusing on the victims.

But even then there is the outside possibility of redemption (possibly via an ultimate sacrifice - probably by Yuuna) that either restores the current situation to a better state it was in earlier or overturns the current corrupt system. For example, it could be that the tree is good but is weak and dying, and the taisha are exploiting the situation - or something like that.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Originally Posted by xrick

I'm starting to "hate" Takahiro... Is that guy a sadist or WHAT?!!!
And what the heck is wrong nowadays with Mahou Shoujo series that aren't all cutesy but end up being all dark?

It's actually not a new phenomenon that just started recently at all. If one pays attention, Madoka Magica is hardly the "originator" of dark mahou shoujo. At best, it simply became more well-known due to being more blatantly twisted and sadistic about it. Otherwise, mahou shoujo series' have actually gotten pretty dark a number of times ever since the 90s, even things like Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Magic Knight Rayearth, and whatnot.

Anyway, I get the feeling, with all the blatant lies and such the Taisha told and the discoveries from this episode and the previous one, that the Vertexes themselves are probably yet another lie. It's pretty obvious that the Shinju is not exactly a benevolent thing after all (if things like DBZ, Naruto, and others have shown us, big "god trees" will almost always be very bad for us), so who's to say the Vertexes are exactly "evil beings" either?

For all we know, they could also be previous heroes who have lost pretty much everything and are trying to destroy the Shinju in order to take back what was sacrificed to it. At the very least, they could be something created by the Taisha themselves in order to get people to create new heroes out of, thus offer more sacrifices to the Shinju through fighting them for whatever goals they have. It would explain why there were "surviving" Vertexes despite the "final" ones of the twelve were destroyed (sent in an "all-out attack" in order to force Yuna and the others to use Mankai given it became clear that merely one by one or even three at once wasn't enough to push them that far). The "surviving" reason just feels too convenient.

[Master_Yoma]

Fuu really losing it in this episode

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I take issue with the fact that we have 5 main characters but only one of them actually acts like a true hero. I don't like it one bit.

Itsuki's handling of her situation seems rather heroic to me.

Her big new dream has been completely crushed, and so I wouldn't have faulted her if she had went after Taisha herself (or joined Fu in doing so). Still, Itsuki is bravely soldiering through, and doing everything she can do lessen Fuu's sense of guilt and depression.

I also don't see where Karin has failed to be "like a true hero". Karin hasn't been put to the test like the other four have, but she's still staying loyal to the hero ideal from what I can see.


Yuna has probably been the most heroic of all five, but there's no major criticisms I could make of Karin and Itsuki's heroism.

As for Fu - Who knows? Maybe she's right. Maybe she has the right idea, and the Taisha should be brought down. She doesn't look the most classically heroic right now, but she might be a sort of "takes no crap" hero that's needed here.

As impressive as Yuna's steadfastness is, she might not necessarily be in the right here.


Right now, we have 5 girls who are split pretty evenly in their response to the rather twisted system they've been caught in. Yuna and Itsuki are abiding by it, appearing heroically firm and selfless in the process. Fu and Togo are both, in their own ways, showing rebellion.

While Itsuki's moments were wonderfully dramatic and highly emotionally compelling, I honestly worry more about Togo. Togo made multiple suicide attempts. That's a bit excessive for a test. Maybe Togo really does want to die, which in a way even goes further than Fu's emotional breakdown in this episode.


On the whole, a very well-done Episode 9. I'm definitely looking forward to how they clue up this whole narrative, because I honestly could see them going a few different ways with it.

[jeroz]

Yuki Yuna really is mentally strong beyond her age. That ongoing optimism despite her own disability is just extremely tragic to watch. Anyone could've snapped anytime, yet she's still keeping it grounded for the sake of the other four.

Originally Posted by Master_Yoma

Fuu really losing it in this episode

Just like any parents would if they found out that their precious action brought something bad to their kids.

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by RX-78GP04G Gerbera

If one pays attention, Madoka Magica is hardly the "originator" of dark mahou shoujo. At best, it simply became more well-known due to being more blatantly twisted and sadistic about it.

Madoka's claim to fame is more than that. For prior MG shows, dark meant the enemies were more serious about killing the girls than Precure villians would be. That being an MG was good, and the system was good in the face of danger was unquestioned.
Then Madoka came along with an MG system that was deliberately designed to make the girls suffer. That turned out to be the last great foe, that no show of force could defeat.
Madoka made it possible to stop taking the concept of, "being an MG is a GOOD THING" for granted. That's its claim to fame.

This show is, frankly, not up to Madoka's level. They've had enough missteps. But it is a very good effort, and I remain convinced that they learned the lessons that Madoka tried to teach. Some of them, anyway.
If they don't screw up at the end, we could have the first batch of magical girls that the puella magi can look at with respect.

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Madoka's claim to fame is more than that. For prior MG shows, dark meant the enemies were more serious about killing the girls than Precure villians would be. That being an MG was good, and the system was good in the face of danger was unquestioned.
Then Madoka came along with an MG system that was deliberately designed to make the girls suffer. That turned out to be the last great foe, that no show of force could defeat.
Madoka made it possible to stop taking the concept of, "being an MG is a GOOD THING" for granted. That's its claim to fame.

There was the MG show with the similar theme name "Uta Kata" came before Madoka.

It's not at Madoka level but it has many dark and drama moment.