2009-12-02, 17:41 | Link #4821 |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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I see both as bad. I don't support one over the other at all, and completely agree with you (this is the current state of the USA). My point was, it is the only way to combat 'tyranny of the majority' under a democratic system. And what I meant by lesser of two evils is, I don't see any form of democracy as a 'good' system for governance, but they're probably the best alternative we have (as opposed to all those other ones like monarchies).
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2009-12-02, 17:43 | Link #4822 | |
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As for the people who tried blocking the policemen, it's their fault for not trusting the police and letting them do their job. But even then, that doesn't give them the right to shoot them because they're being an obstruction to justice. Such a thing can warrant an interrogation, but nothing more. What I'm saying is that because cops are allowed to carry guns doesn't mean they can use them as they wish. |
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2009-12-02, 17:51 | Link #4823 | |
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For that matter, who can say they've never overreacted? Or never made a mistake? I'm not saying it's not tragic, and I'm not saying policemen shouldn't be circumspect in the use of violence. But for the most part, in civilized countries - which Greece no doubt is, your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding - policemen aren't rabid killers shooting people for the fun of it. |
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2009-12-02, 17:53 | Link #4824 | |
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2009-12-02, 18:13 | Link #4825 | |
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Of course I oppose the death penalty in all cases except for mass murderers or serial killers who would likely kill again if they were to somehow get out of jail. Ah yeah I see it now. I didn't have a clue what he was talking about there.
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2009-12-02, 18:18 | Link #4826 | |
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2009-12-02, 18:24 | Link #4827 | |
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Here we don't have death penalty, nor real perpetuity sentence. And many prisons are not that harsh (nowhere near the ones in the states). The state even spends money in psychiatry for the murderers, rapists etc. And you can see joke sentence like getting 9-10 years for having raped a minor girl under 15yo, and get out after 6 years only. (and in the case i am talking about, the rapist did it again just after getting out of prison, but this time he killed the girl too) |
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2009-12-02, 18:42 | Link #4828 | |
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2009-12-02, 19:53 | Link #4829 | |
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Unsurprisingly, each were depicted as huge blows from the emotional population toward the reasonable government, and incompatible with "Human Rights".
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2009-12-02, 21:15 | Link #4830 | |
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don't the avg person have a right to be safe form someone like that?
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2009-12-03, 00:16 | Link #4831 |
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I don't believe in democracy. Democracy = worst kind of oppression cause people don't even know they are oppressed.
Yes, people are allowed to vote, but how, and, what is more important, about what they vote is determined by those who control the media and thus control the minds of the people. Notice, that people have zero control over media. Moreover, the structure of true control over the media is hidden from public.
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2009-12-03, 01:24 | Link #4832 | ||
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Your justice is too lax and because of that you have people who don't care anymore about sentence. And you need to see some prison, they even better than some french apartment. The truth is that there are some criminal who prefer to go to jail than being at home And in France, when you want to be more strict, you're a monster .....
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2009-12-03, 07:23 | Link #4833 | |||
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I think you misunderstand what democracy actually means. Democracy is a system to ensure good governance through a system of checks and balances to limit any party's power. Compromises, individual rights, and independent judges are elements as important as the principle of majority vote.
You seem to think the systems would work better by somehow going to the basics. No. Actual democracy is to your idea of democracy like driving a car is to blowing up the tank. You might find the latter more appealing because it embodies the fundamental process that drives a car forward in all its pureness; but it won't get you to the next city, only to hell. Or maybe you're already intellectually satisfied by the beauty of the pure solution and don't care for its practicality. But conflicts, hierarchies and power concentrations in need of moderation won't get away by the political system turning a blind eye on them. By sweeping them under the carpet you only allow them to rot. Quote:
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The crime rate in most European countries is low and falling by the way. Cries for tougher laws are more often than not nothing more than attempts to satisfy their own primitive emotion of rrrrraaage under the thin veil of the concerned citizen.
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2009-12-03, 08:01 | Link #4834 | |
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It should also be said that there is no such thing as an utterly pure and perfectly functioning sociopolitical system of governance as long as the people, both in the government and the populace, don't exactly practice what they preach. It all sounds good on paper but practice is so much of so different beast.
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2009-12-03, 08:23 | Link #4835 | ||
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As for US jails, granted, but not every jail is like in the US, which is what you seemed to be assuming, so I wanted to point out to you that it's different in Italy and in other parts of Europe, mainly west. |
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2009-12-03, 08:31 | Link #4836 | |
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2009-12-03, 08:34 | Link #4837 | |
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2009-12-03, 08:48 | Link #4839 | ||
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For exemple, the USA with the terrorim reason have put foreign citizen and firm under listening etc... Quote:
Btw, as my father said : " Politics are all the same, they're corrupt."
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2009-12-03, 09:28 | Link #4840 | ||
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Nah, but Kamui's the one against it. |
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