Fate/ Series Q&A

[Brother Coa]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

It's in UBW and I think also Fate (although the UBW one is worse I believe, and gets a less idiotic reaction from Shirou). I don't remember when, though.

She was attacked in Fate as well, it was told to Shirou that she was in the hospital by Rin when he had launch with everyone.

[Student no.0]

Does the F/SN+F/HA bundle editon come with any new extra stuff within the games?

[Touko]

Originally Posted by Gx Hero

I have a question concerning the summoning of epic spirits for the grail war. In episode 8 of the original series it is stated that a epic spirit is summoned based on the personality of the one who summons it. However in fate/ zero there seems to be a contradiction to this as you need a piece of said epic hero to summon a epic spirit.

My question is if the two ways of determine what sort of epic spirit that is summoned is by first having an item that belonged to said epic spirit, or that those without said item will get a servant based on their personality.

If you have an item, the Hero will be summoned regardless compatibility. Good examples are Kiritsugu and Tokiomi. Tokiomi was so incompatible with Gilgamesh, he watched Tokiomi get shank'd. Kiritsugu was so incompatible with Saber, it actually dropped her status rank.

If you don't have a catalyst, then it is a matter of compatibility.

EVERYONE in the Fifth War had a catalyst. For the Fourth War, I am not too sure. I remember Kariya just kind of wing'd it.

[Touko]

Originally Posted by bhl88

So the reason why Iskandar wants to pair up with Gilgamesh is because the Ionion Hetairoi can't materialize Noble Phantasms despite summoning Heroic Spirits?

That's part of the reason. Iskander envied Gilgamesh's massive vault. There was a part where Iskander said something about "with your weapons, we can conquer the stars", and then Gilgamesh just laughed at Rider's face.

[sona-nyl]

Originally Posted by Touko

EVERYONE in the Fifth War had a catalyst. For the Fourth War, I am not too sure. I remember Kariya just kind of wing'd it.

Sakura didn't have a catalyst. Rin didn't intend to use one (though she did anyway, just like Shirou). We don't know if Zouken or Caster used one for their Assasins (can you even use catalysts when summoning assasins?). We don't know if Caster's original master used one either. He probably did use one, since she killed him.

[Cherry_Lover]

Actually, according to Nasu, Sakura did have a catalyst. But, that only came out in one of the side-material books years after, and Rider would have been a reasonable choice for her even without a catalyst, so people tend not to really notice that.

[sona-nyl]

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. Did he say what she used?

[cyberdemon]

as far as I know:

fifth war
Saber - Avalon
Archer - Rin's crystal
Berserker - stone slab from the temple of Heracles
Rider - Unknown
Lancer - Unknown or none
Caster - Unknown or none
Assassin - None

fourth war
Saber - Avalon
Archer - Fossil of the first skin shed by a snake
Berserker - none
Rider - Mantle worn by Iskander
Lancer - Unknown or none
Caster - None
Assassin - Unknown or none

[GDB]

The anime at least seems to imply that 4th Berserker had a relic, they just don't show what it is. Which makes sense, since his entire purpose was to defeat Archer, they'd get a relic for someone who can counter him.

I'd like to think 5th Caster had a relic too, given how poorly she got along with her Master, but then I think... who the hell would choose to summon Medea over nearly any other historical figure?

[sona-nyl]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

as far as I know:

fifth war
Assassin - None

None for both fifth war assassins or just one of them?

And IIRC Lancer's earrings were used by Bazett to summon him.

[Cherry_Lover]

Rider's relic was a mirror that had some connection to her, I think. I don't remember exactly, though.

[Rising Dragon]

The Assassin-class itself is the catalyst for summoning an Assassin-class Servant, as the Hassan-i-Sabbah originated the word "Assassin". So essentially all of the Hassan-i-Sabbah are summoned via catalysts, but those catalysts are immaterial in nature.

As for the others of the Fifth Grail War, yes all of the Servants summoned used catalysts, and in fact all of them are revealed in Fate/complete material III.

Arturia Pendragon: Avalon.
EMIYA: Rin's pendant.
Cu Chulainn: A jewel in which Cu Chulainn himself had inscribed a rune on, fashioned into earrings.
Medusa: A mirror unearthed from a temple in Eritrea, one that had ties to an old Earth goddess of Greece.
Herakles: A slab of rock from a temple of Herakles.
Medea: Literature from Colchis with ties to Medea herself.
Sasaki Kojirou: The mountain gate at Ryuudou Temple.
Hassan-i-Sabbah: the Assassin-class itself.
Gilgamesh: The shed snake skin.

[Touko]

^Bingo, EVERYONE had a catalyst in the Fifth.

As to to Fourth, Lancer definitely had a catalyst, we just don't know what it is. This is because 1) it was mentioned Kayneth had to scramble to find a new catalyst after Waver got his, and 2) it was also mentioned in supplementary material that Kayneth may have intended to summon Diarmuid as Saber dual-wielding Moraltach and Beagaltach.

Hassan is just Hassan. You want Hassan, you get Hassan.

Caster... Don't even need to talk about catalyst, the ritual was not even performed correctly. He just kind of fell out of the sky.

[Rising Dragon]

And then there's the anime's screw-up on Berserker in Fate/zero. In the novels, there was no catalyst. In the anime, there was (though we never see it). Schrodinger's Catalyst.

[Touko]

The catalyst is someone's wife.

Lancelot loves other people's wives, right?

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by Touko

The catalyst is someone's wife.

Lancelot loves other people's wives, right?

That doesn't seem to be Lancelot's backstory in Fate/Zero. It seems he was very devoted to Guinevere.

[Rising Dragon]

I think Touko was making a joke, alfa.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Touko

^Bingo, EVERYONE had a catalyst in the Fifth.

As to to Fourth, Lancer definitely had a catalyst, we just don't know what it is. This is because 1) it was mentioned Kayneth had to scramble to find a new catalyst after Waver got his, and 2) it was also mentioned in supplementary material that Kayneth may have intended to summon Diarmuid as Saber dual-wielding Moraltach and Beagaltach.

Hassan is just Hassan. You want Hassan, you get Hassan.

Caster... Don't even need to talk about catalyst, the ritual was not even performed correctly. He just kind of fell out of the sky.

Ryuunosuke is the catalyst, both were psycho.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I think Touko was making a joke, alfa.

Yeah, I was thinking it was probably a joke, but I didn't find it very funny when the light novel already disproved him.

Originally Posted by bhl88

Ryuunosuke is the catalyst, both were psycho.

A catalyst has to be something which has a connection to the servant. Caster never met Ryuunosuke in his life time.

[Rising Dragon]

Therefore, Ryuunosuke and Gilles' pairing was that of compatibility.