2012-06-16, 17:53 | Link #482 | |
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In HF he re-discovers his sense of self. He had to fall into pieces to be rebuilt. In UBW he's still an empty man as Kotomine, so it's kind of creepy... Last episode closes it for Fate because they glossed over the fixing him state, but he does. What Kiritsugu truly wanted was to have his family in a quiet world, not his ideal. By having Shirou pursue empty ideals it's the same as kicking the man in the grave. He wanted him to do that at one point when he was a child, then grow up as people do. The only time Shirou is given choices to make him be Kiritsugu or reject and gone his way? HF. Which routes Shirou accomplishes for sure what Kiritsugu wanted? Fate (at some degree, if you take into account Last Episode) and HF. Not UBW. UBW does NOT explore this, guys. It's an incomplete route that shows the middle of the way before the conclusion (HF) and after the beginning (Fate, which had a conclusion thanks to Last Episode later).
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2012-06-16, 19:03 | Link #484 | |
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But I think it will probably still happen or at least partially, because Shirou's house needs to get destroyed somehow. Last edited by chaos_alfa; 2012-06-16 at 19:16. |
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2012-06-16, 19:34 | Link #485 | |
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Well, you already kind of saw the Black Sun in this episode, in the Grail hallucination. |
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2012-06-16, 21:26 | Link #486 |
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Actually, this part is actually accurate to the novel too. The only thing that's been changed in the anime is that the building itself wasn't on fire, which was caused by Berserker blowing up the vehicle in his battle with Saber. The anime apparently had the fire contained into the parking lot, whereas in the novel the fire had spread to other parts of the building.
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Oh, how awesome would it to be to end the series with Saber going back to her time and then going directly to Shirou or have Sakura wake Shirou up followed by flashes from parts of HF with a "Coming soon... Fate/stay night - Heaven's Feel" announcement? I'm giddy thinking about it even though I know it won't happen.
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2012-06-16, 23:52 | Link #488 | |
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Damn now I'm going to be so disappointed next episode just from pondering this |
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2012-06-17, 00:36 | Link #489 | ||||
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Sure, you may find that to be naïve and wishful thinking and that Shirou would eventually be forced into killing Rin because of the ideal, but, as you said, the route doesn't actually show what takes place years into the future, so all of that is mere conjecture. What matters is what we actually saw, and that was a Shirou filled with the resolve to become a hero (and not an anti-hero like Archer/Kiritsugu) who won't come to regret his path. Quote:
And UBW's ending is also a conclusion because that's what conclusions are - an end/finish to a certain process - UBW's ending provides an end to the process that was the UBW route. I get that you feel HF's conclusion was the most appropriate one or whatever, but I'm not obliged to feel the same. |
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2012-06-17, 02:15 | Link #490 |
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Yeah, what's up with the setting for the final battle for the grail? in F/SN it's supposed to be burning buildings with a giant Grail tower or w.e
Also I thought there'd be more of a showdown with archer vs saber. Another thing..did Kiritsugu and Kotomine face each other off w.o their servants, as kind of a man on man type of thing? Wonder why they didn't call the aid for their servants during the battle. Something else that has been kind of eating me away is that, in the F/SN visual novel, Kotomine talks about how he tried to get the grail 'too early' in some routes, or something along that nature. What exactly does he mean, because I sure as hell don't get that from Fate/Zero.
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2012-06-17, 02:25 | Link #492 | |
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As for Saber vs Archer clashing amidst the flames, was that really shown or described in the Visual Novel? I remember that it's the very first scene of the Fate/Stay Night anime, but I'm not so sure about the VN. I thought it might take place after Saber destroys the Grail, but I don't think she can stay materialized after that happens (Gil manages to only because he is bathed in the Grail's contents). As for the "getting the Grail too early" thing, it's probably a reference to trying to attain the Grail before it's fully powered up by the Servants' deaths. Even in episode 24 of Fate/Zero I believe the Grail still isn't complete because Saber and Archer are both still around. |
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2012-06-17, 10:47 | Link #496 |
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But if you think about it, the result of the flames was because of the grail's destruction, so Saber should be there. If anything, the VN lacked foresight which you can't place blame since Nasu didn't plan on Fate/Zero being written when he did Fate.
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2012-06-17, 11:03 | Link #497 |
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The problem is that Saber should go poof once the Grail is destroyed (like in UBW), which means their little skirmish here was all their clash in the 4th War amounted to.
Which is a little disappointing, but I suppose it makes sense, since that fight will see its conclusion in Fate, whereas the Gil vs Rider, Saber vs Zerker and Kerry vs Kirei fights won't ever happen again. |
2012-06-17, 12:18 | Link #498 | |
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I heard Shirou lines in the preview, and the start of an ideal. I wonder how much we'll get to see of Kiritsugu's successor. I am pumped now.
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Maybe next episode has a brief scenes of a pissed off Saber fighting with Gil. We haven't even seen the fire, or Gil being touched by the Grail mud yet, so it's possible. |
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2012-06-17, 12:31 | Link #499 |
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She stays in UBW Good End because Rin, her Master, makes it so. But here her Master is Kiritsugu, and obviously there's no love lost between them, so he definitely won't spare any effort to keep around any longer than necessary (for his own sake, he better hope she disappears ASAP, because with no Command Spells and having forced her to destroy the Grail, she would probably turn her blade on him).
With that being said, I do believe she'll have a final significant scene before fading away, probably with some sort of monologue alluding to her role and development in F/SN. Too bad it probably won't have the impact it should have since we can't feel how emotionally drained she is from fighting Lancelot due to how they glossed over that fight. |
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