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Though if criticism is mitigated enough, I highly doubt any author would be willing to get his shit together and start improving his craft.
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It's not worth having a feel good system if the tradeoff is the equivalent of a phone where people can give you nuisance calls any time because the number's public
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2012-12-28, 06:23 | Link #504 | |||||
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Reality has shown us that many people aren't able to handle this in a mature fashion, given what happened with the rep system. The problems of cliques is just going to show up again. Quote:
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Well, +/- stuff works on places like Youtube. But that's only because most comments are trash and it's hardly moderated. So it works if you're going to ignore most of what's posted. Quote:
======Back to the topic at hand======= As an unrelated note, I really did like the rep system somewhat as a vanity tool. But as a tool for generating useful discussion, it's a pretty big joke. Honestly, I would take some people a bit more seriously if they would admit the same over making excuses of rep fulfilling some kind of higher existential need. Not targeting anyone in particular, but am I really the only one that's willing to admit that? If you've ever made a post about how rep is Serious Business, I probably laughed at it and negged you afterwards. True story.
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2012-12-28, 10:57 | Link #508 |
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Ok, i think i'm getting Cold Turkey for not rewarding fellow users for whatever comment/work/pic/link they do. With the Rep system now gone i feel...... incomplete.
-Remembers something SaintessHeart said- You know? SaintessHeart idea of positive only rewarding system that gifts users with lolis doesn't sound bad once you add shotas, bishonens, bishoujos, catgirls, traps, attractive older parents and whatever character type into it.
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2012-12-28, 10:57 | Link #509 |
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Although, rather than avoiding negrep like that you can just disable the rep altogether. Because personally I think it's a shame that someone has to hold him/herself from posting what might be a good and quality post just because he/she is afraid of a negrep that one will recieve from someone.
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2012-12-28, 11:23 | Link #510 | |
I desire Tomorrow!
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2012-12-28, 11:41 | Link #511 | |
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I posted my reasons for liking Fate Testarossa in an actual MSLN fandom thread, where it's OK to post stuff like that, and I didn't infringe upon anybody. (now if I posted that out of the blue in a Code Geass thread, that's a diffferent matter) The comment for the negative rep was "Fanboyism is dangerous, and it can limit people's thinking" - I thought "...what?" And another one iirc was about "Your age of 17 shows in your post" - just because I supported a character in the International Saimoe League Thread... hah. Also, "we're more afraid to lose than to gain." It got to the point that I didn't care about posting anything anymore until something was done.
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2012-12-28, 12:14 | Link #513 | |
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2012-12-28, 13:04 | Link #514 |
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The neg rep problem is easily solved by removing it...
As for cliques, I don't think the reputation enabled the forming of cliques, it's just that the cliques that did form (and will form no matter what you do) tended to use it. If you wanted to prevent any cliques from forming you'd probably have to switch the site to anonymous posting, with all it's other problems... |
2012-12-28, 13:11 | Link #515 | |
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My own reason for not posting much is not caring enough to argue against something anymore. I never feared the negreps. Usually people who gave them around sometimes (me for example ), aren't exactly saints so, most of the time, what goes around, comes around. Most arguments just end on the "agree to disagree" stalemate or someone ends up getting banned (that last part used to be a game in certain boards but whatever, I won't go into details :P). People who don't care about an argument's outcome don't post in the first place, unless they're offering an opinion from a somewhat neutral standpoint. As for the fanatics and that stuff, I would know. I thought my reputation preceded me I don't really care about reputation been removed altogether, although some easily applied positive feedback like the positive reputation votes wasn't hurting anyone.
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2012-12-28, 13:14 | Link #516 |
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Most of my neg reps were because people didn't agree with what I said. At least I assume because they were usually left blank or had some nasty message attached "you are an idiot" or something to the regard. And I understand negative reps shouldn't be taken seriously but you know it isn't something pleasant to see.
I am not sure what I did in the very beginning of these boards but for the longest time its been my policy to not negative rep anyone for anything because I don't think negative reps teach people about their behavior (maybe in rare occurrences) instead I think they are a rude power to have over someone. If I don't like something someone posts or I disagree with them then I will tell them on these boards and not hide behind an anonymous rep system. Now as I said before I thought the positive rep system was a nice way to show appreciation for someone's post but there is no reason we can't do that through PM or on our profile page. In fact I got 2 messages recently on my profile page which I thought was rather nice. I am going to start doing that myself more too. Why should we be tied to a rep system to say something nice about each other and to encourage one another. And this way you aren't limited with the number of times you can do it.
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2012-12-28, 13:53 | Link #517 | |
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2012-12-28, 14:04 | Link #518 | |||||||||
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PM boxes are capped at 100 total. Many people here (myself included) have a hard enough time keeping our PM boxes freed up as it is. It's not at all uncommon for me to PM someone and get the message that this user's PM box is full and hence I can't send a PM to that individual. The only way PMs could even begin to be seriously considered as a substitution for posrep messages is if the PM boxes were increased in size from 100 to 150. VMs, similarly, are already pretty heavily used by people. Do we really want to add to that clutter by also using VMs as a substitute for old posreps? The PM/VM/posrep division was a very good one, I think. Each method of contacting another user had its particular uses, and distinct pros and cons. And by having these three different methods, you cut down on the clutter within each of them. Quote:
The fact is that every year there's at least a couple very popular shows. If the most popular anime show of 2013 ends up spurring on better discussion than what SAO did, then I'd at least consider the impact that no neg rep might have had here. On the flip side, if the most popular anime show of 2013 ends up spurring on more flamewars than what SAO did, then I'd at least consider the impact that no neg rep might have had here. If we're going to run a fair and thorough experiment here, then we should also consider the potential negative impacts that removing the reputation system might have. To do otherwise is simply being closed-minded and biased to a fault, imo. Quote:
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Positive reinforcement, and words of support, can prove encouraging at times. Now, some people have suggested that PMs and VMs should be fine in accomplishing that, but there are flaws here. If people here are serious about using PMs as a permanent substitute for posrep comments, then I would encourage them to voice support for increasing PM box limit size. After all, if you're going to increase what PMs are used for, that should be accompanied by an increase in the total limit for PMs.
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2012-12-28, 14:24 | Link #519 | |
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Normally, you don't use negrep for simply disagreeing, but I'm not sure how the system ended up being used by most. I can say though that the more recent negreps I got were, in hindsight, more justified than not, so I take it the system was working as intended.
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2012-12-28, 14:42 | Link #520 |
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But that is what many people used it for. What you think people did not abuse the system? People were anonymous so they didn't care.
Also I know a lot of people who disabled their rep who were perfectly respectable posters. A disabled rep was not equivalent to red.
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