Mahouka LN - Steeplechase Chapter (Volume 13) Discussion / Poll

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by BW95

But she didn't even wear a pony-tail in the beginning and doesn't Mibu have a pony-tail too?

She did have short hair, and she has a pony tail now, and she'd probably look good in a nurse outfit I guess?

I mean, now that I think about it.. It works.

Mibu is taken. No longer up for discussion In my opinion. But for that one you'll have to wait until Pampz replies himself.

But seriously thinking about it, unlike Pampz I'm not really into my coworkers or the idea of their haircuts ever.

Ironically though, most of the girls I dated since highschool went on to cosmetology school, like paul mitchell and such. So they're like hairdressers and make up artists. The girls that didn't go into that, usually went into things like psychology. That makes up at least 90% of the girls I dated.

So I like girly girls with a strong sense of appearance, IE: Mayumi, Ayako, Miyuki. Or I like Smart girls IE; Shizuku, and possibly the first 3 if you like.

So, I guess I also have a type, since at one time or another I've shipped one of those 4 girls still having a lot of trouble with who my true ship is.

In a way, I'm really not any better than Pampz.

[Echizen777]

Erika is awesome, she has character development, tragic past, she is badass and has a likable personality. Only Mayumi and Ayako can compare to her.

[NutShell]

Originally Posted by Chris38

According to the info I found on the BT forum's ... not including the Afterword volume 13 had 350 pages.

Here is also a comparison with some of the other volumes ... also found on the same forum:

thanks for the info, whoa quite a lot

Originally Posted by anonfr

She did have short hair, and she has a pony tail now, and she'd probably look good in a nurse outfit I guess?

I mean, now that I think about it.. It works.

Mibu is taken. No longer up for discussion In my opinion. But for that one you'll have to wait until Pampz replies himself.

Erika ponytail really
I wonder when we get a coloured picture of her in ponytail

so now we got Ayako worshiper in this thread . . .

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by Zoks

Erika has a feisty personality in a series where most of the girls are on the submissive side. That makes her much better than most of the other girls in my eyes.

I don't think it's submissive if Miyuki only listens to one person. That's more like faith. Honoka could be a case due to the slave gene though.

Otherwise, we might as well all label ourselves as submissive.

[kusabireika]

I still like miyuki though

Uhm I hope it's ok to ask what is the name of kuroba twin who crossdress

[Zoks]

Originally Posted by IceHism

I don't think it's submissive if Miyuki only listens to one person. That's more like faith. Honoka could be a case due to the slave gene though.

Otherwise, we might as well all label ourselves as submissive.

1. No, she's submissive. Erika and Shizuku have faith in Tatsuya. Miyuki? She's literally ready to bend over backwards for him at any moment if he commands.
2. It's not one person. See her relationship with Maya.
3. Honoka is just lame, even without the submissiveness.

Originally Posted by kusabireika

I still like miyuki though

Uhm I hope it's ok to ask what is the name of kuroba twin who crossdress

That would be Fumiya.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by Zoks

1. No, she's submissive. Erika and Shizuku have faith in Tatsuya. Miyuki? She's literally ready to bend over backwards for him at any moment if he commands.
2. It's not one person. See her relationship with Maya.
3. Honoka is just lame, even without the submissiveness.



That would be Fumiya.

Ok thank you

Uhm quick question will benio become antagonist later on the novel because she has motive is to uncover tatsuya identity and protect her daughter what do you think?

[kazakiri]

Originally Posted by kusabireika

Ok thank you

Uhm quick question will benio become antagonist later on the novel because she has motive is to uncover tatsuya identity and protect her daughter what do you think?

The possibility is still open, though I find it unlikely. Also her attempts will probably just end up the same as "Haruka Ono" that is just attempts...

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

You really like that ship, don't you. You became an hardcore shipper like Pampz.

Don't mention me again~
Im not a shipper Iam a worshipper

Originally Posted by BW95

I may have asked this before, but I've clearly forgotten. What do you guys even see in Erika?

Uhh...Hairstyle? Personality?

Originally Posted by BW95

But she didn't even wear a pony-tail in the beginning and doesn't Mibu have a pony-tail too?

Well I have both fetish
Mibu lacks the will~
She succumb to her despair; While Erika never succumb to it and even fought against her fate; while we will never see her first round; we'll probably the 2nd which will be my most anticipated arc.

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Erika is awesome, she has character development, tragic past, she is badass and has a likable personality. Only Mayumi and Ayako can compare to her.

Mayumi and Ayako cant even compare to her; due to both of them lack BG and plot of their own~

Originally Posted by Zoks

1. No, she's submissive. Erika and Shizuku have faith in Tatsuya. Miyuki? She's literally ready to bend over backwards for him at any moment if he commands.
2. It's not one person. See her relationship with Maya.
3. Honoka is just lame, even without the submissiveness.

The only one who goes against Tatsuya decision in the long run of the series are Erika and Maya only; other than those two everyone have been submissive to Tatsuya's might!

Back on topic; Any new spoilers?

[Flere821]

Oh hey, new spoilers posted about the aftermath of that Miyuki/Tatsuya scene:

Spoiler for V13:

「早上好」
「啊，早上好……？」
梓歪着头对拿着早餐吃的三明治走进本部帐篷来达也和深雪半吊子的打了个招呼。
跟在达也背后的深雪微妙的有些，应该说是一副相当相当害羞的样子。从梓这边看来，两人之间的距离比起平常稍 微有些——大约多了30厘米的间隔。而深雪微微低着头，眼角还有些泛红。
今天深雪要参加冰柱攻防个人战的预选赛。以总和优胜为目标的一高的策略是，先预定女子冰柱攻防的优胜。这被 计算为最能确保取分的项目，就算有个万一梓也谨慎的希望能够避免预选赛被淘汰这样的事态。虽说唯独不敢想象 深雪会在这项目中败北，可现在的她，却着实让人感到了一丝不安。
「……发生什么事了吗？」
梓之所以会这样问，原本是想要把这莫名的不安当做多虑来消除掉的，
「你是指什么？」
但被达也以不容分说的口气反问回来，自己反而不便多问了。

tl;dr Azusa saw the siblings together but Miyuki is slightly farther apart from Tatsuya by 30cm, and she's looking embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude

Anyway guys, here's the Chinese text for the MiyukixTatsuya illustration.

Spoiler for V13 Plot:

八月六日，大会第二日的凌晨。
夏天天亮的很早。即便如此，现在天空还依旧昏暗，稍微泛出一丝青白。在这不上不下的时间，深雪在黑暗的房间 里一直坐在床沿边，盯着最爱的兄长的睡脸。
达也睡得很深，这一点要是让人知道估计很多人都会感到意外。虽然深雪依旧保持着房间内的黑暗，但就算是有一 点光亮是不会弄醒他的。同样就算是在屋内发出些吵闹的噪音也不会把他吵醒。
但是不管睡得深浅与否，达也起床倒是十分规律。这一点估计多数人都会点头认同。首先，他一定会在自己规定的 起床时间醒来，不需要闹钟，仅靠身体的生物钟就可以自然醒。再有，若周围有恶意的话，即使睡着也能够敏感的 做出反应。就算对方能够连一根针落地的声音都不发出来潜入，只要对方是对自己和深雪怀有恶意的家伙他就可以 立刻醒来。而且就算对方没有恶意只要接近到一定程度，达也的意识也会从睡眠中恢复而睁开双眼。
这个距离、亦或是境界线，会根据时间地点而有所不同。若能够感受到气息的极近距离也不会醒的话，那就算是刚 进房间也能够立刻醒来的情况也是有的。深雪觉得，恐怕达也在入睡时自我设置了能够允许对方入侵的范围。深雪 推测，兄长之所以能让自己靠得如此之近，是因为在进行设置之前就已经睡着了的关系。
在两人同处一室的这个情况下，她起身在屋内的普通活动应该是被设置在境界线范围以外的。实际上，就算是在床 边搬来椅子坐下，达也也完全没有要醒来的迹象。
但是在这以上的行为就没有把握了。有可能在还有70厘米的距离下，达也就会醒来。亦有可能就算她在同一张床 上躺下依偎在旁，兄长也不会醒来。
深雪很好奇。
兄长到底能够允许自己靠近到什么地步。自己到底能够呆在什么样的距离才好。
（兄长大人到底能够允许我做到什么地步呢……）
不经意间深雪感觉到了一股寒意。这一时的分心并没有让她的心冷却下来。虽说是盛夏，但在气温依旧很低的黎明 之前，身着一身单薄的夏季睡衣。太久不换衣服会感到冷也是必然的。
这时深雪的意识，开始飘向了奇怪的方向。
（兄长大人不会觉得冷吗？）
实际上深雪和达也在同一房间里度过一整晚这还是第一次。昨夜——正确来所是前天晚上——由于高兴过头，就像 是断电了一样不知在什么时候睡着，一觉睡到大清早。但是从昨夜到今天早上，一直在意着睡在旁边的达也，深雪 中途醒来了好几次。其结果就是在这天明明都还没亮的时候，在兄长的枕边干着如同跟踪狂一般的勾当。睡眠的不 充分，已经开始瓦解了深雪的自制心。
就像是对待发烧的病人一样，深雪把手伸向了达也的额头。看上去很清醒，实际已经混乱了的意识，之前心里「可 能会弄醒他」的顾虑如今已经烟消云散了。
万幸的是达也没有睁开眼睛。手掌从他的额头，感触到了一阵凉意。
（好冷啊……）
要说的话这应该是由于睡着了的达也体温下降再加上——不会进行过剩的代谢的达也的身体原本就比常温要低—— 由于睡眠不足的疲劳而体温上升的深雪只能是这么感觉。但是深雪的思考却，
（不好……不温暖一下的话）
已经短路了。
（那个，这种时候应该是要肌肤贴在一起才行……的吧）
这只是在遇难时才会用到的心得。只要脑子还能维持正常机能就毫无疑问会被羞耻心的余波给燃烧殆尽的主意，对 于不知什么时候打出了「照看病人」这个旗号的深雪却成了理所当然的方案。
（……虽说脱掉衣服还是不可能的……）
就算如此，貌似还是残留着最低限度的羞耻心。深雪将可能会弄醒达也的踌躇抛之脑后，毅然的钻进了达也的身旁 。
（兄长大人，就让深雪来温暖你吧……）
早已是似梦非梦的深雪，就这样以搂住达也不放的姿势进入了梦乡。



在确认妹妹睡下的呼吸变得平稳之后，达也睁开了双眼。
（终于睡着了吗……）
温柔的移开白雪放在自己胸前的手，达也慢慢地从床上下来了。其实在深雪把手放在自己的额头上那时起，他就已 经醒了。但是由于妹妹的样子有些异常（就算没看到凭气息也能感觉得出来），于是就一直假装睡着了的样子进行 观察。
幸好，他不会由于和这样一位绝世美人同床共枕而流露出强烈的性欲。但是也不是说完全一点性欲都没有，一想到 和妹妹同床共枕相拥而眠就觉得心生厌恶。而由于深雪那柔软的身体触感感到心情舒畅的原因，更是让这份厌恶感 增长数倍。完全没办法就那样子继续睡下去了。
就算如此，这种时间也不能把今天还有参赛项目的妹妹再叫起来。虽然不知道深雪是什么时候起来的，可是让她再 多睡一会儿的时间还是有的。
达也注意着不发出声响的换了身衣服。怀着「睡个好觉」的心意抚摸了下深雪的秀发，然后走出了房间去呼吸清晨 的空气。

The part in red is particularly interesting. Tatsuya has a sense of aversion sharing the same bed as Miyuki, especially sleeping in each other's arms. Yet the feel of Miyuki's body makes it several times worse for him; so much that he can't sleep. Some food for thought about the dynamics of their relationship from Tatsuya's POV.

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude

LOL I think all you guys should wait for someone like Flere to translate. Don't want anyone to go away with any misconceptions.

Someone already translated it, but here's what I get from that bit:

Spoiler for V13:

Tatsuya still have a libido, albeit severely limited by the mental surgery done to him. He's attracted to Miyuki, but also felt uncomfortable in proportion to how comfortable Miyuki's "soft body" is making him feel.

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him

(Yes, I'm ignoring the bit in the Vampire Arc where Tatsuya said if there was 100% certainty there would be no witnesses and surveillance he'd "sample Mayumi completely" because Mayumi was that beautiful When he said that he didn't really feel anything other than "oh shoot I'm not suppose to say that because it'll make Mayumi nervous)

Originally Posted by araragi92

现在仔细想想，原文中写的是“居心地が悪すぎだ”，这句话翻译过来也就是“心里感到不舒服”的程度，翻译成 “心生厌恶”好像有点太过。当时翻的有些随意了

The person modified and said the word was not really disgust/aversion but an uncomfortable feeling, he feels uncomfortable to sleep in the same bed as Miyuki.

Also, this.

[Zoks]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Oh hey, new spoilers posted about the aftermath of that Miyuki/Tatsuya scene:

Spoiler for V13:

「早上好」
「啊，早上好……？」
梓歪着头对拿着早餐吃的三明治走进本部帐篷来达也和深雪半吊子的打了个招呼。
跟在达也背后的深雪微妙的有些，应该说是一副相当相当害羞的样子。从梓这边看来，两人之间的距离比起平常稍 微有些——大约多了30厘米的间隔。而深雪微微低着头，眼角还有些泛红。
今天深雪要参加冰柱攻防个人战的预选赛。以总和优胜为目标的一高的策略是，先预定女子冰柱攻防的优胜。这被 计算为最能确保取分的项目，就算有个万一梓也谨慎的希望能够避免预选赛被淘汰这样的事态。虽说唯独不敢想象 深雪会在这项目中败北，可现在的她，却着实让人感到了一丝不安。
「……发生什么事了吗？」
梓之所以会这样问，原本是想要把这莫名的不安当做多虑来消除掉的，
「你是指什么？」
但被达也以不容分说的口气反问回来，自己反而不便多问了。

tl;dr Azusa saw the siblings together but Miyuki is slightly farther apart from Tatsuya by 30cm, and she's looking embarrassed.

Someone already translated it, but here's what I get from that bit:

Spoiler for V13:

Tatsuya still have a libido, albeit severely limited by the mental surgery done to him. He's attracted to Miyuki, but also felt uncomfortable in proportion to how comfortable Miyuki's "soft body" is making him feel.

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him

(Yes, I'm ignoring the bit in the Vampire Arc where Tatsuya said if there was 100% certainty there would be no witnesses and surveillance he'd "sample Mayumi completely" because Mayumi was that beautiful When he said that he didn't really feel anything other than "oh shoot I'm not suppose to say that because it'll make Mayumi nervous)

Also, this.

Tatsuya sees naked girls in his division when changing, remember? A little skin isn't enough to tempt him. Lina was actually one of the few that could momentarily stun him with sheer beauty.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Oh hey, new spoilers posted about the aftermath of that Miyuki/Tatsuya scene:

Spoiler for V13:

「早上好」
「啊，早上好……？」
梓歪着头对拿着早餐吃的三明治走进本部帐篷来达也和深雪半吊子的打了个招呼。
跟在达也背后的深雪微妙的有些，应该说是一副相当相当害羞的样子。从梓这边看来，两人之间的距离比起平常稍 微有些——大约多了30厘米的间隔。而深雪微微低着头，眼角还有些泛红。
今天深雪要参加冰柱攻防个人战的预选赛。以总和优胜为目标的一高的策略是，先预定女子冰柱攻防的优胜。这被 计算为最能确保取分的项目，就算有个万一梓也谨慎的希望能够避免预选赛被淘汰这样的事态。虽说唯独不敢想象 深雪会在这项目中败北，可现在的她，却着实让人感到了一丝不安。
「……发生什么事了吗？」
梓之所以会这样问，原本是想要把这莫名的不安当做多虑来消除掉的，
「你是指什么？」
但被达也以不容分说的口气反问回来，自己反而不便多问了。

tl;dr Azusa saw the siblings together but Miyuki is slightly farther apart from Tatsuya by 30cm, and she's looking embarrassed.

Someone already translated it, but here's what I get from that bit:

Spoiler for V13:

Tatsuya still have a libido, albeit severely limited by the mental surgery done to him. He's attracted to Miyuki, but also felt uncomfortable in proportion to how comfortable Miyuki's "soft body" is making him feel.

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him

(Yes, I'm ignoring the bit in the Vampire Arc where Tatsuya said if there was 100% certainty there would be no witnesses and surveillance he'd "sample Mayumi completely" because Mayumi was that beautiful When he said that he didn't really feel anything other than "oh shoot I'm not suppose to say that because it'll make Mayumi nervous)

Also, this.

What are you talking about Flere? Erika been making Tatsuya speechless with her fan service. Even her glare, her sheer emabarassment makes Tatsuya apreciate Erika's inner beauty. If given the same situation Tatsuya would lose his sanity for Erika in a second. Btw do Tatsuya even dream? In the drama cd promo manga its show Tatsuya dreaming; and the thing that left the most impression was Mizuki pair of lovely breasy!

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by pampz21

What are you talking about Flere? Erika been making Tatsuya speechless with her fan service. Even her glare, her sheer emabarassment makes Tatsuya apreciate Erika's inner beauty.

In a clinical manner perhaps, a intellectual acknowledgement of the fact. Not like a emotional response/attraction that's reserved solely for Miyuki AFAIK however

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by Flere821

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him

Mari successfully aroused him, though.

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by Zoks

1. No, she's submissive. Erika and Shizuku have faith in Tatsuya. Miyuki? She's literally ready to bend over backwards for him at any moment if he commands.
2. It's not one person. See her relationship with Maya.
3. Honoka is just lame, even without the submissiveness.



That would be Fumiya.

Picking the two strongest characters(that also turn out to be older than her and in her family) introduced in the story so far and saying that Miyuki listens to them hardly qualifies her as submissive and is just a convenient excuse. When she bends down towards people like Mikihiko, Leo, Erika, ichijou, Mizuki and all the other common folks, then i would believe you that she is willing to submit to everyone. Submitting to authority is not submissive otherwise everyone is submissive to a degree and the definition is meaningless.

[Syokool]

Originally Posted by Flere821

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him .

Bro

It gave me hope. Tatsuya has feelings, but only with Miyuki he can be a full fledged human.

Originally Posted by Zoks

1. No, she's submissive. Erika and Shizuku have faith in Tatsuya. Miyuki? She's literally ready to bend over backwards for him at any moment if he commands.
2. It's not one person. See her relationship with Maya.
3. Honoka is just lame, even without the submissiveness.

Miyuki is submissive only with Tatsuya. And she owns him her own life, so it's pretty understandable.

Even so, I found the term not completely right when she is willing to do things behind him, like talking with the Yotsubas, even if it's to protect him.

2. All Yotsubas fear/respect Maya, so that's not a valid point.

3. Well, Honoka has the submissiveness in her genes(?) after all.

Originally Posted by CatRules

Mari almost successfully aroused him, though.

Fixed.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Flere821

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him

That's nothing new, see girls naked or with underwear do nothing to him. Only when you are very close to him he seems to get aroused. You think if another pretty girl had done what she did Tatsuya would feel nothing? At the contrary he wouldn't be so disturbed because they are siblings but for another reason.

[kazakiri]

It was previously mentioned that, Kudou wanted to test his "Parasite Doll". By Doll* does that mean a mechanical doll similar to Pixie? Or are they using a different type of container(ie. corpses maybe?)

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Flere821

So yeah, a blow to the Tatsuya/Miyuki ship I admit, but it's not a crippling one. A ardent shipper might point out however Miyuki is the only one capable of bringing out a response for Tatsuya, whereas others like Mayumi in a swimsuit or Erika in gym shorts only gets a 'No F@#ks Given' response from him

Hm? Actually, I don't see how this is a blow to the Miyuki ship at all. If anything, it shows that Miyuki's gradually escalating "chipping away" on Tatsuya's defenses is actually resonating. A blow to the ship would have been if he had shrugged it off without reaction, or if he had refused to play asleep and sent Miyuki off. I would want to see the Japanese first to see what his feelings REALLY were. Summaries are notoriously inaccurate in this respect.

See it as the author's answer to the fan's desire to see more progress on the Miyuki/Tatsuya angle. Not badly done.

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Oh my god, I can't believe you awesome fans forget to do one thing you used to do: posting raw!!