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Magewolf · 2014-12-04, 23:20

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

At this point, I don't understand the logic anymore. The 3 coward generals were self-serving and clearly had their own agendas to save their hides. Cayenne wants to win the war or at least not be a disadvantage in the negotiations for peace. Samonji is about to attack the enemy, which will definitely benefit his country one way or another. Even his buddy Izumi is helping out, albeit indirectly. Yet, Suzushiro feels like she has to stop Samonji or even kill him. What does that accomplish? Why would she feel that her reason for doing so is the right thing to do?

Samonji has a plan to end the war and get back at the puppet masters. I think he is going to destroy the base at the wall then have all the unmanned mechs go berserk and die himself.

Gundam888 · 2014-12-04, 23:35

No it isn't

Avrorrange · 2014-12-05, 01:55

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

At this point, I don't understand the logic anymore. The 3 coward generals were self-serving and clearly had their own agendas to save their hides. Cayenne wants to win the war or at least not be a disadvantage in the negotiations for peace. Samonji is about to attack the enemy, which will definitely benefit his country one way or another. Even his buddy Izumi is helping out, albeit indirectly. Yet, Suzushiro feels like she has to stop Samonji or even kill him. What does that accomplish? Why would she feel that her reason for doing so is the right thing to do?

Yes,I don't understand the logic of unit 8.

thundrakkon · 2014-12-05, 02:45

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Originally Posted by Moe Connection

Yes,I don't understand the logic of unit 8.

I understand Unit 8's logic. They want to retrieve Argevollen, and they want to be in control of their own lives. They also want to help Samonji from going on a suicide mission, possibly saving his life, like what Samonji was trying to do for Unit 8.

It's the part where Suzushiro loads her gun and plans to kill Samonji if he doesn't stop that bothered me. She seemed to be following the orders of the 3 coward generals to prevent Samonji from attacking the enemy, not to save Samonji's life. Does she anticipate that Samonji will go crazy, and she'll put a bullet in his head while he's inside an almost indestructible mech?

orion · 2014-12-05, 10:07

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I understand Unit 8's logic. They want to retrieve Argevollen, and they want to be in control of their own lives. They also want to help Samonji from going on a suicide mission, possibly saving his life, like what Samonji was trying to do for Unit 8.

It's the part where Suzushiro loads her gun and plans to kill Samonji if he doesn't stop that bothered me. She seemed to be following the orders of the 3 coward generals to prevent Samonji from attacking the enemy, not to save Samonji's life. Does she anticipate that Samonji will go crazy, and she'll put a bullet in his head while he's inside an almost indestructible mech?

It's only a suicide mission if he can't control all those mech that he has now. Or if there was a second unit, then he would still have his one group and the second guy would have the new gropup.

Suzushiro just follows blindly and had nothing at the end of the day when she got double-crossed twice now. Samonji sees it coming and anticipates. She doesn't. She should have expected that her boss wasn't going to do too much to his relative (Cayenne) and his friend (Samonji). She's partly out for revenge imo.

Stark700 · 2014-12-11, 14:03

Alright! The stage has been set for the final battle. With all the buildup and momentum, let's see who lives and who survives.

Gundam888 · 2014-12-11, 18:42

Cayenne your officaly a hero in my book dispite your methods

FerrusManus · 2014-12-12, 03:50

My main question is: Is the Sturm Alpha also suspectible to the Fascinator? If so, Samonji could simply lock out Richthofen from his own Trail Krieger.

Irenesharda · 2014-12-14, 02:07

I finally got to episodes 22 and 23, and I...I don't know, I just haven't really gotten into them. Which is a shame too, since this show was picking up really nicely in the middle section. However I just kept rolling my eyes these last couple episodes and I'm expecting a pretty bland finale too.

Why are there suddenly so many teen mech cliches going on at this end point? The teen pilot wanted to make his own decisions, and rebelling against the smarter adults. And then the teen getting everyone else to join in with him? And then all of them saying that the captain is "selfish" despite the fact that really what they're doing is just as selfish?

You know what? I really hope that Samonji really does go through with his suicide mission! Teach those Unit 8 idiots that not everything always works out just because you want it too.

This series had a bland cliche first half, and pretty good middle, but looks like it's going to end with a pretty bland ending. I was enjoying myself until this point too...

Benigmatica · 2014-12-18, 02:36

Finished watching both Eps. 22 to 23! Gee, I have to admit that Samonji's plan to destroy those Kriegers and himself is so bold that I don't think it'll work! I have to say that the company behind Argevollen and Sturm Alpha will get away with it!

Anyways, can't wait for the finale...

FerrusManus · 2014-12-18, 12:20

Spoiler for The End:

Haak · 2014-12-18, 12:56

That random CEO assassination out of nowhere was funny as hell.

thedonkiluminati · 2014-12-18, 12:59

The ending was very unsatisfying....

Benigmatica · 2014-12-18, 13:05

The ending is so underwhelming... Sure that the war ended in a truce, but I don't think Argevollen will have another season, let alone an epilogue OVA!

As for the Kybernas CEO Suguro getting killed, I'm sure that the parent company is bankrupt as well... Maybe not!

EroKing · 2014-12-18, 13:12

First Akame ga Kill!, then Psycho Pass 2 and now this. Did the studios all meet together and decided "hey, let's go with something very simple for the ending, the fans will never expect it." Personally I really liked that they went for this route. The start to the show was kinda slow but it got interesting very fast and the ending was pretty solid.

Benigmatica · 2014-12-18, 13:38

It's not a solid ending by the way, it's somewhat badly-written with plot holes not being filled with answers!

EroKing · 2014-12-18, 14:06

For me it was a good solid ending, not everything needed to be answered.

Stark700 · 2014-12-18, 14:07

Imo, the overall show was decent. It didn't have the intensity of some mecha shows I've watched but it did have character development. The setting also felt real and the ongoing conflict depicted reality of what war is like.

I think they could of done a better job with some of the other themes. Animation is also a bit mediocre but I think the show overall gets a 7/10 from me. It seems like the aftermath of the war could setup for even more continuation although I doubt the studio would invest more into this series for now. Ending felt underwhelming though.

novakai · 2014-12-18, 14:09

this show was solid and the ending was good enough for me. I think this show was a placeholder for Xerbec because Fafner 2 got delayed until winter. so they put together a low budget mech show on the timeslot that Fafner was suppose to be in. But I did enjoyed the simple ending, despite the lack of bigger conclusion

foxbox360 · 2014-12-18, 15:02

you never know guys, we might get a season 2 in the future. It took years for Fafner, it wiil for Argevollen.

2014-12-11, 14:03	Link #546
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Alright! The stage has been set for the final battle. With all the buildup and momentum, let's see who lives and who survives. __________________

2014-12-14, 02:07	Link #549
Irenesharda Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Chicago	I finally got to episodes 22 and 23, and I...I don't know, I just haven't really gotten into them. Which is a shame too, since this show was picking up really nicely in the middle section. However I just kept rolling my eyes these last couple episodes and I'm expecting a pretty bland finale too. Why are there suddenly so many teen mech cliches going on at this end point? The teen pilot wanted to make his own decisions, and rebelling against the smarter adults. And then the teen getting everyone else to join in with him? And then all of them saying that the captain is "selfish" despite the fact that really what they're doing is just as selfish? You know what? I really hope that Samonji really does go through with his suicide mission! Teach those Unit 8 idiots that not everything always works out just because you want it too. This series had a bland cliche first half, and pretty good middle, but looks like it's going to end with a pretty bland ending. I was enjoying myself until this point too... __________________ "Someone who cannot forgive lies or secrets, will never trust another." - Major Kyosuke Hyobu

2014-12-18, 12:20	Link #551
FerrusManus Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	Spoiler for The End: This has to be the most realistic end of a war in an anime ever. Totally anticlimatic.

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2014-12-18, 12:59	Link #553
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2014-12-04, 23:35	Link #542
Gundam888 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014	No it isn't

2014-12-11, 18:42	Link #547
Gundam888 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014	Cayenne your officaly a hero in my book dispite your methods

2014-12-12, 03:50	Link #548
FerrusManus Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	My main question is: Is the Sturm Alpha also suspectible to the Fascinator? If so, Samonji could simply lock out Richthofen from his own Trail Krieger.

2014-12-18, 02:36	Link #550
Benigmatica Deadpan Rambler Join Date: Nov 2012	Finished watching both Eps. 22 to 23! Gee, I have to admit that Samonji's plan to destroy those Kriegers and himself is so bold that I don't think it'll work! I have to say that the company behind Argevollen and Sturm Alpha will get away with it! Anyways, can't wait for the finale...

2014-12-18, 13:05	Link #554
Benigmatica Deadpan Rambler Join Date: Nov 2012	The ending is so underwhelming... Sure that the war ended in a truce, but I don't think Argevollen will have another season, let alone an epilogue OVA! As for the Kybernas CEO Suguro getting killed, I'm sure that the parent company is bankrupt as well... Maybe not!

2014-12-18, 13:12	Link #555
EroKing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 38	First Akame ga Kill!, then Psycho Pass 2 and now this. Did the studios all meet together and decided "hey, let's go with something very simple for the ending, the fans will never expect it." Personally I really liked that they went for this route. The start to the show was kinda slow but it got interesting very fast and the ending was pretty solid. __________________

2014-12-18, 13:38	Link #556
Benigmatica Deadpan Rambler Join Date: Nov 2012	It's not a solid ending by the way, it's somewhat badly-written with plot holes not being filled with answers!

2014-12-18, 14:06	Link #557
EroKing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 38	For me it was a good solid ending, not everything needed to be answered. __________________

2014-12-18, 14:07	Link #558
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Imo, the overall show was decent. It didn't have the intensity of some mecha shows I've watched but it did have character development. The setting also felt real and the ongoing conflict depicted reality of what war is like. I think they could of done a better job with some of the other themes. Animation is also a bit mediocre but I think the show overall gets a 7/10 from me. It seems like the aftermath of the war could setup for even more continuation although I doubt the studio would invest more into this series for now. Ending felt underwhelming though. __________________

2014-12-18, 14:09	Link #559
novakai Member Join Date: Nov 2014	this show was solid and the ending was good enough for me. I think this show was a placeholder for Xerbec because Fafner 2 got delayed until winter. so they put together a low budget mech show on the timeslot that Fafner was suppose to be in. But I did enjoyed the simple ending, despite the lack of bigger conclusion

2014-12-18, 15:02	Link #560
foxbox360 New Age Badass Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Charlotte, NC	you never know guys, we might get a season 2 in the future. It took years for Fafner, it wiil for Argevollen. __________________ Mecha need to evolve!!!!!