2012-08-26, 13:39 | Link #5741 |
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It is beginning to look like underemployment is a permanent feature of US society. And given the "HR department" list of reasons not to hire -- going for a job that pays less, they won't hire ... being unemployed, they won't hire ... not meeting the job "requirements" exactly, they won't even interview.
"Yeah, I know 8.1 of that...." "No, we're looking for 8.11 candidates, we can't seem to find any though but goodbye" And then the "we need H1-Bs" comes out because they "can't find qualified candidates" when in fact they've simply made the requirements absurd. And I'm pretty absolutely sure I'm being sidelined in many interviews because of my age as well as being "overqualified/overpaid/over..."
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2012-08-26, 13:42 | Link #5742 | |
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1. The "US Company" having the money isn't a consolation if the company then only invest in further developments in China. The Company being American in name only means rich CEOs and their inflated bonuses. The "smart" high paying work just isn't enough to sustain the United States, and never mind that very few people ever become qualified. Having high paying jobs is not going to help anyone when most people can never get access to them. Worse, companies are trying to move those jobs to China as well. Low paying jobs are how people get their feet through the door in an industry. Without them, you can never become more qualified. In China most factory workers aim to use their salaries to get better education, so they can advance their own careers as thy work. This option is now all but cut off in the US.
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2012-08-26, 13:58 | Link #5743 | |
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2012-08-26, 15:15 | Link #5744 | |||
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Ultimately, the root cause is that there's too many applicants and too few jobs, and no individual HR department is at fault for that. Quote:
A lot more work takes place in the US then you might think, but a lot of it is "invisible". 80% of the components in a product might be made in the USA, but if the final assembly takes place in China, it still gets slapped with the "Made in China" label. That's not to say that America hasn't lost a lot of industrial jobs, it has, but I think a lot more of it is due to the simple fact that modern factories don't need 5000 people to do simple repetitive tasks any more, we have robots for that. Instead it needs 300 highly skilled people to keep the whole thing running. Quote:
Assembly line work is in my view a dead end career-wise. In terms of industry, you need to be either a technician (skilled use of machinery for manufacture and repair) or an engineer (design of machinery, industrial processes etc.) to have a real career ahead of you. Both of those types of work are not easily exported. And anyway, even if a factory opened in the US tomorrow, you wouldn't see the massive number of jobs you see in a Chinese plant, as all those menial repetitive tasks will have been automated away in an American plant. There'd only be work for those with skills. As I see it, the big growth area for a post industrial economy like the US, is to shift not to mass manufacture of many identical things, but the specialized manufacture of fewer unique things. That requires a lot more labour, and can also produce more value for the consumer. We also should simply shift to working less hours. Why have one person working 40 hours and earning 100,000 a year, when you can have 2 people working 20 hours and earning 50,000 a year. Perhaps they should emulate the communist French and mandate maximum working hours. |
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2012-08-26, 16:20 | Link #5746 | |
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To use a Hitchhiker's Guide reference, we have "B Ark" people in control of the hiring process for "A" and "C" ark people. That is probably a mostly American phenomenon. It is one reason I don't even bother applying or contracting with anything but small companies any more. I just try the "large corp" route applying periodically for the lulz.
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2012-08-26, 16:36 | Link #5747 | |
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Though it does sound like a problem you'd find with large companies over smaller ones. Generally, I've found the smaller places have been a lot better at looking past the numbers and qualifications to the real person behind the CV. |
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Based on what I've heard, that's how things used to be done. The problem is that today there are a lot of people going for degrees in business. Many of these people skip the entry-level work with their degree and jump straight into the managerial roles that entry-level workers used to be promoted to. This creates a problem where it's much harder for the entry-level workers to advance, unless they have a degree... in which case they might as well have skipped the entry-level work in the first place. Quote:
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Greed is a problem in American society, but it's not all bad. When the recession began to really take its toll on business, there were stories of some businesses where workers all agreed to take pay cuts so that some of their colleagues wouldn't need to be laid off. You can interpret multiple reasonings behind such decisions, but in practice it's somewhat similar to the French idea.
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2012-08-26, 21:56 | Link #5749 |
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I am going to play Devil's advocate here; maybe what the GOP should strive to be, is to become more like China?
You have social issues under state control. Abortion and Gay Marriage issues are determined by the government and everyone else just accepts it. And then there is the massive tax cuts for entrepreneurs and how the regulations can be ignored if you just bribe the right people. But then if someone really rocks the boat by being too corrupt, they get executed. (Nothing prevents moral hazard like executions) Oh, and of course, no health care for anyone who didn't save up for their own retirement. Isn't that the ideal way modern GOP likes to govern? EDIT: Obama called Romney's views to be "Extreme". Interesting that the news outlets all put the quotation marks around the word "extreme" as if there was room for debate. The GOP is so far Right as it is now, that the only political parties who share their views are nations like Iran. I know that everyone like to think of themselves as "moderates". But at some point a line needs to be drawn; if nearly everyone in the rest of the world is to your left, how the HELL can you still claim to hold the central moderate position? The line "I am not crazy! Everyone else is, I am the only sane one around here" came to mind. It is sad that Obama even need to mention that Romney hold extreme positions; it showed that most of the voters still don't see it. Because everyone outside America already know that.
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2012-08-27, 06:03 | Link #5750 |
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Storm Isaac forces Republicans to rework convention script
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87P01H20120827 I read about this storm a week ago, am I the only one ?
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2012-08-27, 07:49 | Link #5751 | |
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Enough people will demand flexitime and lower hours that the companies who offer this will gain the best talent, and also a motivated workforce who feel their employers actually care. Quote:
Also, the GOP's championing of freedom is selfserving. They champion freedom for themselves (wealthy people) not freedom for everyone. |
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2012-08-27, 11:56 | Link #5753 |
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Interview: Romney blasts Obama for a 'vituperative' campaign
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ign/57331498/1 As usual, complaining about the Democrate using method over-used by the GOP against him.
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2012-08-27, 12:02 | Link #5754 |
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So, if the democrats are following the GOP's method of attacks, how long before they start calling Romney an elitist for using the word "vituperative" (in addition to all the other obvious stuff)? Can the use of that word be worthy of calling him an "elitist east coast liberal"?
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Romney clinches Republican nomination
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2012-08-28, 19:25 | Link #5758 |
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The debt clock has to he one of the funniest props I've seen in at one of these conventions (right up there with the Grecian columns at Obama's convention). That being said the "We Built It" slogan has to be one of the stupidest Presidential slogans in years. Not due to the actual message (which is okay, even if weird for the Republican Party), but the fact that it is a blantant misrepresentation of reality. Are the Republican constituents really that stupid?
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2012-08-28, 20:00 | Link #5759 | ||
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GOP "Updates" platform to bar all abortions and gay marriage.
So first they lambast the one guy for saying it isn't rape if she gets pregnant. Then their presidential representative and his running mate say abortion would be okay in the case of rape. Then the GOP takes the platform of "no abortions for any reason ever". Do these people think that there aren't records of these things? And looking at some of these changes, holy crap. Their "Job Growth" idea is to make the economy better. That's it. They don't say how they intend to do that, just that it's the way to do it and not through stimulus packages. What? They back a constitutional amendment that would make gay marriage illegal (by making it so marriage is just man and woman), yet they say it'd be cool for states to allow it? What the hell? Contradictions much? Also, lol at "less government" by implementing more government power. Quote:
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2012-08-28, 20:29 | Link #5760 |
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I think American Exceptionalism is a very dangerous idea. Holding your country is unique, special and plays by it's own special rules is simply a recipe for decline, stagnation and pointless wars and bad diplomacy.
You might love how you're so special, all the other countries in the world mightn't agree with you. |
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