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Btw, if there weren't any, why did almighty, fair Suzaku not stop him? Quote:
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2009-10-08, 04:03 | Link #5822 | ||
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he was faced with a greater evil at least, and was fighting on behalf of the oppressed
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"almighty, fair Suzaku" what suzaku is hardly a model of morality, especially in season 2 but its mostly because suzaku is quite possibly insane at that point (litterally, he had a nervous breakdown less then 24 hours before joining lelouch)and that any moral reservations he ever had about anything, died in the flejia blast he gets to make people forget euphie, which is something he would want he gets to punish himself and suzaku gets to kill lelouch in the end so he gets what he wants Quote:
i dont have a choice in the matter which is why i feel pissed off about it if zero-requiem WAS only about stopping Schneizel, i would have been kinder to it
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2009-10-08, 04:43 | Link #5823 |
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Actually, Mutuality proves that Suzaku didn't want to kill Lelouch.
Also, I doubt he was considerably more psychologically damaged than our favourite Demon Emperor (let's just take all of Lelouch's cute little hysterical laughing fits and build a mountain). And the English test killed me, so don't expect anything more constructive from me than this for the next few... we'll see. xD
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2009-10-08, 04:48 | Link #5824 |
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he had a considerably psychological change following the flejia
and he stopped viewing "wrong means" as something to be avoided so long as they get results no matter how wrong they are so my point about neku's post still stands, since suzaku was hardly in a position where he'd care if lelouch was doing wrong things at least not enough to stop him and hope that the test went well
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2009-10-08, 04:58 | Link #5825 | ||
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Mutuality doesn't show us ravinglunatic!Suzaku, and neither do his conversations with Lelouch. Quote:
Well... I feel it went horrible, but I'm known to exaggerate when it comes to this kind of thing, so we'll see. xD
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2009-10-08, 05:05 | Link #5826 | ||
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its hard to describe in full, but it can take many forms like believing things about the world that arent true like that if you dont like the general shape of the world, then its ok to kill lots of innocent people in order to make it a different shape there is no REAL reason to change it, since by that point its composed of Lelouch's britannia on one side and the UFN on the other they just dont like the shape of it, and they consider that enough of a reason Quote:
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2009-10-08, 07:46 | Link #5830 |
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lelouch spends most of the show stacking the odds in his favor in every single battle
taking every advantage he can get to make victory easier to achieve then, when faced with the most importent challenge of his life, with the fate of the world at stake (since shnizel would have done horrible things to it if he wasnt stopped) he chooses, not to attack shnizel, but to attack the UFN instead thats not genius, thats retarded he makes the battle ment to SAVE the world, much harder to pull off rather then making it easier by attacking shnizel alone he doesnt want to save the world, and he doesnt want to fix the world he wants to destroy it and recreate it and all because of his own ego
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2009-10-08, 07:50 | Link #5831 | |
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2009-10-08, 07:56 | Link #5834 | |
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really... are you really going to try and argue that lelouch has no ego ? and my main problem with lelouch's actions are rather simple just answer a small question how was attacking the UFN stated to help defeat shnizel ?
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2009-10-08, 07:59 | Link #5835 | ||
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2009-10-08, 08:01 | Link #5836 | ||
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how did attacking the UFN help deal with shnizel ?
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2009-10-08, 08:04 | Link #5837 | ||
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2009-10-08, 08:07 | Link #5838 | ||
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he didnt think it would it was what he needed for his OTHER goal zero-requiem but since, unlike defeating shnizel, zero-requiem and all the deaths that followed from it were NOT necessary, it makes him a greedy idiot which conflicts with his past characterization, and ended up making him kick start a world war for no reason
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2009-10-08, 08:09 | Link #5839 | |
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2009-10-08, 08:13 | Link #5840 |
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when it leads him to massacre people just to appease his ego, thats a flaw worthy of disliking
i dont hate him in general but i did hate him in the last arc because his flaws were all there, but none of the redeeming qualities that would justify liking him beyond them (mortality pets, necessity, greater evil to overcome) and i kinda have to go... sorry
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