2019-11-05, 12:59 | Link #41 |
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
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Can't help thinking of Kiara Sesshouin = Magase Ai with that kind of aura the latter has lol
if she's a supernatural entity or something, fine actually, depending how well it fits the narrative theme. Just don't do something jarring like have her be the product of a secret black project that the corrupt government cabal at the center of the plot is responsible for. That would be very anticlimatic
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2019-11-06, 00:03 | Link #43 | |
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Show just isn't working for me as much as I want it to. I am willing to stick with it some more but it's just missing something that I can't quite put my finger on. The characters are kinda bland so far (apart from Ai, and her uncle this ep) and there's really nothing too exciting going on. Perhaps it's because I already have strong opinions on the "controversial" topic that the show is trying to form a conflict around (I am very pro-euthanasia) or perhaps it's because it's simultaneously asking me to suspend my disbelief and accept that something supernatural is going on while also trying to play make-believe totally-realistic bureaucracy (it's doing the latter very wrong and only ticking cliches imo) but I hope the show focuses more on the characters rather than the system as that's where the show has done better so far and is also generally more interesting than yet another take on corrupt politics.
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2019-11-06, 08:35 | Link #44 |
別にいいけど
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Itsuki never said anything about euthanasia, nobody actually knows for sure what he means when he says that he wants to make suicide legal.
The sentence alone is meaningless, since suicide in itself is not illegal in Japan or most parts of the world. If suicide was illegal, people that attempted suicide and failed would be jailed or fined, as it happens for attempted murder, attempted robbery and so on. So what Itsuki actually wants to make legal is anyone's guess, and the idea that he wants to make assisted suicide legal is just one of those guesses. It could be something entirely different. Or he could be simply blissfully unaware that what he wants to make legal is legal already.
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2019-11-06, 21:31 | Link #46 |
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While I’m not sure if this show will really delve into the supernatural (or if this is a misdirection) but I’m seeing Tomie vibes from Ai. It worked for Tomie since from the get-go the supernatural aspect was obvious, in Babylon, well.. not so much. I’ll give it a few more episodes. Sucks though, was hoping for this to have a multi layered female villain at least since the concept seems interesting...
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2019-11-06, 21:51 | Link #47 | |
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2019-11-10, 03:36 | Link #49 | |
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2019-11-11, 11:00 | Link #50 |
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Bit dissapointed with majority of politicians in that debate. They had good point, but no system of around their core beliefs to deal with very basics counter arguments which is bit stupid if not unheard in real life.
Good that Hiasa seems to ber real person and not just Magase in disguise. Regardless I can easily imagine ending where Seizaki ultimately loose to her influence and commit suicide himself (even if it means leaving family behind). I didn't see that in many anime/novels but these kind of stories are relatively common in west short novels and story gives lot of vibes of it. Anyway I don't see what is wrong about charging suicide as crime. It is difficult technically as if it succeed perpatator cannont be held responsible and guys who actually commit suicide don't giver a crap about people they leave behind in first place (so there is no point deamnd reparations for damage from them), but despite of practical difficulties idea itself is sound.
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2019-11-11, 16:44 | Link #53 |
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Yeah, that was an incredibly stupid cherry on top of an absolutely dumb cake of making the kid a candidate.
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2019-11-11, 18:37 | Link #54 | |
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About the episode itself, yeah the politicians tried, but you could see Itsuki's counterarguments from a mile away. The "if you make it legal everyone will want to do it" argument always makes me laugh though. But, yes, how in the world did they not check this kids background.
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My guess his ultimate goal is to increase the suspectablitly who might be on edge considering it due to harsh living conditions and normalizing idea of killing yourself for any reason even among healthy mind people. Remember the contexts of suicides here so far, all them have happened to normal people or those who weren't prone to such thoughts with no commonility between them. Ai clearly behind the abnormality of this and I think this might be a step for her spread her influence. If she is supernatural being or has some kind of ability cause people to suicide it's might limited in some way. She perhaps needs to reduce or remove the common people have towards the idea for her better manipulate large amounts of people. |
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2019-11-11, 21:44 | Link #57 |
別にいいけど
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The whole debate was surreal, it seems that nobody could make the distinction between what is "legal" and what is "socially acceptable".
There are several things that are legal but at the same time frowned upon by society. For example cheating on your girlfriend or boyfriend is generally frowned upon by society but there is absolutely no law (in most countries at least) that makes it illegal. What Itsuki seems to want to do is using a law to change the view of society toward suicide, but that's simply outside the scope of what a legal system does. And at any rate laws are not meant to list everything that is legal, laws are meant to set rules and list what is not legal. A law that simply states on a purely ideological manner that "suicide is legal" doesn't make any more sense than a law that states that "breathing air is legal". At best he could eliminate a law that says that "suicide is illegal", the problem is that such law doesn't exist in Japan. But, this isn't the only facepalm moment of this episode, I just can't fathom exactly what Seizaki is planning to do after he kidnaps Itsuki. Let's not even talk about the fact he would commit a grave crime, what is he going to do with Itsuki after that? Does he plan to keep him in a basement for the rest of his life? Is he planning to kill him? Is he just thinking that he could release him after that and that at that point he would magically stop working on his plan and that he wouldn't press charge against him and everyone that helped him?
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2019-11-12, 04:12 | Link #58 |
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Ok. After EP6, the facade of this series has completely broken down.
In a procedural drama about adults, crime and politics, why were all the adults (minus Itsuki) acting like complete idiots? The entire existence of Magase being a shape-shifting, intellectual rapist that drives people to suicide was already stretching it, but this episode...
Maybe I've just lost the plot. What exactly does this suicide law actually enable if its not illegal in the first place? And what's the intent? Does it cover Euthanasia and people in exacerbating circumstances like a painful terminal illness? --- It was nice to finally see Seizaki's wife. Hope Magase doesn't do anything to her.
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2019-11-12, 04:42 | Link #59 |
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Meh. Absolutely disappointing episode. Nobody did anything sensible and the whole debate was a joke that conflated legality, morality and social stigma as Jan-poo has eloquently put a couple of posts above.
It made no sense where MC was going with the kidnap Itsuki plan nor why everyone would just go along with him (if the show was going for a realism angle, there should have been at least a couple conscientious objector even if they wouldn't arrest him or foil his plan otherwise) but I guess we won't find out now because of the reveal with the kid. The kid thing was not only totally predictable the moment he was brought in (this show relies on such cheap happenstance that it was practically a guarantee the kid was related to Itsuki last episode already, and made certain with his appearance in the debate) but also remarkably stupid. Surely a shadow council of politicians that wish to run a testing ground for new world order would vet their choices for candidates, right? Nope, not with Itsuki and not with his son. Now it's one thing to ask the ask the viewers to suspend disbelief that a charming young man managed to swindle some politicians who viewed him only as a pawn and not a threat, but it's another to ask the viewers to buy that the same politicians would gamble their position so readily without at least checking the identity of their next pawn. All around stupid. And pretentious.
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And your fourth point. ALL politicians appeal to people's emotions. You can have the greatest plans in the world, but if you can't get people emotionally behind you, you'll get nowhere. And, as Trump proved you can have practically 0 practical plans, but if you can get people emotionally behind you, you can become the President.
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