2012-01-10, 00:21 | Link #41 |
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You know the thing about "Redacted"? While it certainly does look awesome and I'm looking forward to whatever the finished product is, well...to be completely honest, I'm not entirely sure what it is, other than that it's a fanfic about a fanfic about what happened on Rokkenjima, or something along those lines. As far as I'm concerned, part of it is set in 1996, but now Renall is saying something about it being "contemporary" (i.e., set between 2000 and 2010). Is that the setting for Redacted, or this new short story that's pictured above?
In fact, this brings me to another point relating to the short story. If I've read the above post right, this new story is set in America, and the characters shown in the story are completely different from those in Umineko (at least, that's how I see the portraits "not jiving to the people I remember" to mean). Apparently this story is supposed to take place in the early 2000s and not "Redacted," but I still can't say for sure. There's another thing that confuses me: at the beginning of that preview video, we see Eva and Hideyoshi, or at least characters who resemble them (I'm just gonna call them that), and they open a door. In the next scene, I initially pictured Eva and Hideyoshi dressing up for some costume party (after all, the characters are acting like the loving couple they tend to be) before revealing their portraits to be those of... Spoiler for ...in case of a plot twist...:
Also, what's the title of this short story, anyway? Is it "Depicted: Varying Degrees of Cleverness," "This Summer Comes," "A Night Out In California," or something entirely different, if it even has a title at this point? I just feel totally lost; in fact, I think all this description of the project is making it seem more confusing for me. Of course, this confusion is not exactly bad, per se. On the contrary, it makes me anticipate things even more.
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The "contemporary setting" thing is for the side story I'm helping him with. Its it's own thing. Quote:
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2012-01-10, 01:04 | Link #43 |
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Right, let me see if I can clear that up.
Redaction of the Golden Witch (this is its official title; Witch Hunters Abroad is merely the name of the blog) is a story set in three places:
Rokkenjima Incident (1986) ["R-Prime"] -> Second Rokkenjima Incident (1996) [Ch. A-C] -> Mysterious Forgery Released (1996?) [Ch. 1-3] -> Researcher Publishes Info on 1996 (2006?) -> New Short Story (2009?) Meanwhile on the Meta-World level, it looks like this: End -> ? -> Redaction [Meta & Ch. 1-3] -> ? -> Dawn Chapters A-C, that is 1996, do not factor into Battler's Meta-World shenanigans at all, and Battler's Meta-World stuff is not in the researcher's publication detailing his allegations about 1996. However, the two narratives must be woven together to actually understand who the 1996 culprit is, since I didn't intend to show the reader a page that has a name on it (not that the name of a fictional character no one's ever heard of would be all that impactful if you didn't know what made them tick anyway). This fact should obviously make the role of Andromalius important, as the demon appears in both the 1996 narrative (which also functions as his backstory) and the 1986 and Meta-World narratives, which for him appear to be happening in the chronological order of the story. So yes, it's kind of complicated. The weaving together isn't actually the hard part, to me, it's actually getting the individual 1986 and 1996 sections to work properly as separate things. I may need to go back to the drawing board with a few folks I know around here and see what I can salvage. The new story is, generally speaking, much simpler: Everyone you see represented by the sprite of an original character is just a person fulfilling that character's role. Most of them are in fact in costume, so to speak; for example, the Eva and Hideyoshi seen at the start are people dressed as them, Erika and Battler are characters dressed like Erika and Battler, and so forth. The idea is that people come to the party "in-character," and part of the point of the story is to contrast how badly these characters represent the people they're portraying. As for Beatrice... she's a wild card. She must be a person pretending to be Beatrice, right? Except that role is not normally filled at the dinner, which caters to more anti-fantasy guests. So the question is, who is she? This is a question "Kinzo" fails to ask in the intro, and that will be a problem going forward in the story because not knowing her identity means not knowing what it is she really wants. You know... assuming she isn't the real Beatrice. The characters do all have real names, I just didn't reveal any of them in the introduction. It's a little less confusing once their names and personalities are allowed to shine through, even though they're wearing the "faces" of the original Ushiromiya family, servants, and guests. "Erika," for example, is a shy and eminently polite young woman who is incredibly poorly-suited to portray an intellectual rapist. The goal of the story isn't for her to be Erika; it's for her to try to be Erika and fail because she is herself. There's more, but of course I can't say. And the story does have a title. I haven't told anyone what it is, not even Scruffy AuraTwilight. It's not that important though.
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2012-01-10, 01:21 | Link #45 | |
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EDIT: And yes, there's really no shame in attempting to be Erika Furudo and failing gloriously at it. "Erika" is actually one of the strongest characters in the story and I really like how she's turned out a lot, though you can't see her really shine as more than a shy violet type until much later in the story than I have scripted right now.
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2012-01-10, 02:05 | Link #50 |
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Alright. I'm working with someone else to figure this out, and I'm not sure I would have been able to get this far on my own. So mega thanks to him.
So we have this... Spoiler for Find the Key:
and then we have what I believe to be part of the solution... Spoiler for Find the Key:
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2012-01-10, 08:19 | Link #51 |
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It's a real pity that the Redaction project is stalled. It was an interesting story, but maybe the problem is that it was a bit too ambitious. This is why with Witches & Woodlands I tried to stay as much as possible far away from the "mystery" element of Umineko. I didn't want to create something that could affect or be affected by speculations on the nature of the story. I'm sure you well understand the problems with that. It was kind of amusing how in the first chapters of redaction there were so many subliminal disclaimers like "this game might not be exactly (or at all) like the ones in the canon story." and so on. The new project looks very interesting and intriguing. You already know how much I loved the fictional IRC chat session you recreated in redaction, and this seems to be somethig on that lines extended to a whole story. The only question I have is: do you already know where this will be going? Different writers have different methods, but when I devise a story the first things I think about are the "beginning" the "climax" and the "end". Then I proceed to the general structure, if there's some important key scene I try to define that as well. And then for the most part is all stuff that I come up with while I write, but having a clear finality in mind is important, I believe. Even if you change your mind in the middle of the story. @those who try and solve the riddle Reading your reasonings and looking at your progress is really a lot of fun! You see, when I made this riddle I tried to imagine myself in your place and tried to think what would you notice, what would you do and what kind of connections would you make. And a lot of the steps you made are exactly as I imagined! And at the same time there's a lot of reasonings that I didn't really foresee. Those are fun to read too! Now I'd want to comment them all and tell you "this is a very good reasoning", "you're going out of track here", but I must resist the urge. I can only say for now that I don't think it will take that much before you'll finally open the chest. As long as you try different paths and do not focus on a single approach. I think the main problem with the "messaggio" was that you thought it was meant to give you the password directly. Regarding the *rem0 Anon-kun mentioned. I knew someone would try to look inside the code! Which is why I needed to take some necessary preemptive measures. It's all right. While it doesn't really reflect my own view, in the "when they cry" universe anything goes for reaching the victory, even cheating! If you played Higurashi you know what I mean. But given that, then it's my duty to foresee whatever shortcut you might take and block it. And if you manage to still take an easy way, well then that's my fault for failing to cover that. That's the true spirit of Mion's club! Spoiler for w&w riddle:
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I guess I'm proposing this manner of thinking because I'm still looking forward to it and wanna goad you into finishing it But the new short story sounds fun too, so my eyes are on that now. Also, Kinjo, how did I not find out about that fourth episode? This witch here will be playing it soon.
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Here is a "WTF?" idea I'm having. If you decide to take a peek, don't let it distract you from your own reasoning!!! Spoiler for Find the Key:
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Having said that, I think I might have come up with a few ways to "fix" Redaction, although it may require me to throw out entirely the 1986 sections and start over. Some thoughts follow. Spoiler for Thought Process Spoilers:
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2012-01-10, 23:13 | Link #56 |
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Solved! Thanks to Mr. Q. for pushing my thoughts in the right direction.
(EDITED to present this in a more Umineko-ish fashion: Spoiler for Battler fails at chess:
Thanks to Jan-Poo for an excellent puzzle and a great game. Last edited by WitchOfDoubt; 2012-01-10 at 23:40. |
2012-01-10, 23:32 | Link #57 |
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Congratulations Witch of Doubt! And of course the merit also goes to everyone that contributed to this solution!
I think Mr Q. will arrive to it soon, unless he didn't already (by the way you swapped the B and the 9 and the A and C in that pic, I almost had a heart attack at first thinking that I made a mistake XD) So it wasn't that hard in the end, wasn't it?
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2012-01-10, 23:34 | Link #58 |
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Who would have thought that...
Spoiler for W&W Riddle:
We found the password Jan-Poo...I feel accomplished and slightly trolled... I won't put up the password. The hint's I've left behind should be enough for anyone to solve it if they get stuck. I will say that this was a fine riddle. Don't read my opinion unless you have solved the riddle, please! Spoiler for My Thoughts on the Riddle:
*edit WitchOfDoubt got the post in before me!!!! GAH! Jan-Poo, you made a work of art with your game and a great challenge with your riddle. I am thankful for them both! |
2012-01-10, 23:39 | Link #59 |
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The riddle is entirely fair, and none of the hints in this thread are truly necessary to solve it once "Find the Key" has been reached. I encourage solvers to give it their very best once they've seen that screen, taking a screen capture for their own reference or using the one in this thread.
Everything you need to solve this puzzle can be found on that screen, possibly in combination with a little bit of out-of-game research. Mr. Q: Spoiler for Are you sure there's a mistake?:
(EDITED my post to obscure the answer a little more.) Spoiler for Also:
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